Trump Rallies & Interviews Catch-All | Trump - “just stop talking about that”

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"Tell me, my Republican friends, exactly what part of being a Hitler fanboy is a part of conservatism? Tell me why you’re willing to vote for a man who praises dictators, autocrats, and fiends? Is it the imaginary communists lurking under your bed?

What part of conservative governance includes a vengeful president who promises military retribution against his political opponents?

How and when does reality intrude upon your comfy media bubble in your schema? Do you ever wonder to yourself when you substituted character and conservatism for fascism and fury?

Of elected Republicans, I expect absolutely nothing.

As a group, you are the most craven and morally bankrupt men and women to ever serve in elected positions. So many of you have declared in advance your outright willingness to support overturning both the law and the will of the American people to serve the fascist Trump that in a just world, you wouldn’t be in office: you would be horse-whipped in the streets.

I wouldn't say I like the loons and fanatics who believe in Trump with a messianic fervor, but they’re just downstream political waste from the cloaca of Trump’s sewer. The ones who deserve absolute contempt are the play-acting GOP clowns who mock him behind closed doors and whisper to reporters of their cleverness in the pretense of loyalty to him. (Looking at you, Mitch.)

For the cadre of generals, willing to whisper behind closed doors, speak off the record, and without putting yourselves in the line of political fire, your service to the Constitution didn’t end when you retired."
Counterpoint: it's not surprising at all that conservatives are attracted to authoritarians.
 
Counterpoint: it's not surprising at all that conservatives are attracted to authoritarians.
I disagree. It is indeed very surprising to me that ANY American would be attracted to authoritarians, but *especially* the Americans for whom "THE MILITARY CONSTITUTION AMERICAN FLAG BALD EAGLE GO AMERICA GO RED WHITE AND BLUE GOD BLESS THE USA FUCK THE NAZIS AMERICA FUCK YEAH!" is their entire identity. You would think that the folks who "SUPPORT THE TROOPS GET BEHIND THEM OR GET IN FRONT OF THEM YOU AMERICA HATING TRAITOR" would not be attracted to the very type of fascist, authoritarian governments that the United States of America spilled countless drops of blood and treasure to defeat and destroy.
 
I disagree. It is indeed very surprising to me that ANY American would be attracted to authoritarians, but *especially* the Americans for whom "THE MILITARY CONSTITUTION AMERICAN FLAG BALD EAGLE GO AMERICA GO RED WHITE AND BLUE GOD BLESS THE USA FUCK THE NAZIS AMERICA FUCK YEAH!" is their entire identity. You would think that the folks who "SUPPORT THE TROOPS GET BEHIND THEM OR GET IN FRONT OF THEM YOU AMERICA HATING TRAITOR" would not be attracted to the very type of fascist, authoritarian governments that the United States of America spilled countless drops of blood and treasure to defeat and destroy.
Can’t you see how that kind of blind patriotism would lead to some authoritarian or even fascistic tendencies?
 
Can’t you see how that kind of blind patriotism would lead to some authoritarian or even fascistic tendencies?
Yeah, I guess the more I think about it, I can. What I initially meant was that even if I, as a former conservative and former Trump voter, have become indescribably repulsed at what the GOP and the conservative movement writ large has become under Trump, I still find myself stunned to even have to consider whether people in the United States of America would pine for authoritarianism here at home.
 
Yeah, I guess the more I think about it, I can. What I initially meant was that even if I, as a former conservative and former Trump voter, have become indescribably repulsed at what the GOP and the conservative movement writ large has become under Trump, I still find myself stunned to even have to consider whether people in the United States of America would pine for authoritarianism here at home.
I get that and would’ve felt the same way a while ago. I think we were brought up in similar ways and hold onto that idea of America that we were taught.

Studying history has led me to realize that this sort of tendency was always bubbling underneath the surface of American society, even going back to the revolution. You can certainly see it in the lead up to the Civil War and the years after.

Authoritarians at home have done a good job of wrapping themselves in the flag and pretending to be protecting American ideals while doing exactly the opposite.

Sadly, their job is made easier by the fact that we’ve rarely held ourselves up to what we would consider to be American ideals.
 
I get that and would’ve felt the same way a while ago. I think we were brought up in similar ways and hold onto that idea of America that we were taught.

Studying history has led me to realize that this sort of tendency was always bubbling underneath the surface of American society, even going back to the revolution. You can certainly see it in the lead up to the Civil War and the years after.

Authoritarians at home have done a good job of wrapping themselves in the flag and pretending to be protecting American ideals while doing exactly the opposite.
Very well-said. I think that one of my weaknesses is that I probably hold onto a sanitized and idealistic view of America and Americans that is coming more and more into conflict with the uncomfortable realization that, yep, very, very many of my fellow countrymen and women have what I consider to be some really misguided or even outright deplorable views.
 
Very well-said. I think that one of my weaknesses is that I probably hold onto a sanitized and idealistic view of America and Americans that is coming more and more into conflict with the uncomfortable realization that, yep, very, very many of my fellow countrymen and women have what I consider to be some really misguided or even outright deplorable views.
I try not to be cynical because I think there is a significant portion of the American population, even some of those voting for Trump, who could be yanked back over to the light given the right steps are taken.

Every day that goes by in the current environment makes it less likely that those steps will ever be able to be taken though.
 
I try not to be cynical because I think there is a significant portion of the American population, even some of those voting for Trump, who could be yanked back over to the light given the right steps are taken.

Every day that goes by in the current environment makes it less likely that those steps will ever be able to be taken though.
Yep. It's getting so much harder to give people the benefit of the doubt anymore, as there's just really any doubt left about who and what Trump and Trump is/are. I had a family member just this morning post on Facebook about how Trump was right about Hitler/the Nazis in that "they did a lot of bad things that they are remembered for but all Trump just meant that they did a lot of good things for the economy and for the German people and that even people who bad things can also do good things." Just completely and utterly an irredeemably awful point of view, and it is one that this person would have never, ever had if it had been literally any other politician or any other person saying it.
 
Yep. It's getting so much harder to give people the benefit of the doubt anymore, as there's just really any doubt left about who and what Trump and Trump is/are. I had a family member just this morning post on Facebook about how Trump was right about Hitler/the Nazis in that "they did a lot of bad things that they are remembered for but all Trump just meant that they did a lot of good things for the economy and for the German people and that even people who bad things can also do good things." Just completely and utterly an irredeemably awful point of view, and it is one that this person would have never, ever had if it had been literally any other politician or any other person saying it.
This has always been an American stance. There were large political and social lobbies for non-intervention in WW2 and even full on support of Nazism. I mean, literal American Nazis filled Madison Square Garden, with heils, arm patches, and all. Americans aren’t any better than or above any ideology.
 
This has always been an American stance. There were large political and social lobbies for non-intervention in WW2 and even full on support of Nazism. I mean, literal American Nazis filled Madison Square Garden, with heils, arm patches, and all. Americans aren’t any better than or above any ideology.
Great points. I'll admit, that is something that shocked me a few years ago when I visited the National World War II Museum in New Orleans. I had NO CLUE up to that point that there was a very significant Nazi movement in the United States in the 1930's.
 
I disagree. It is indeed very surprising to me that ANY American would be attracted to authoritarians, but *especially* the Americans for whom "THE MILITARY CONSTITUTION AMERICAN FLAG BALD EAGLE GO AMERICA GO RED WHITE AND BLUE GOD BLESS THE USA FUCK THE NAZIS AMERICA FUCK YEAH!" is their entire identity. You would think that the folks who "SUPPORT THE TROOPS GET BEHIND THEM OR GET IN FRONT OF THEM YOU AMERICA HATING TRAITOR" would not be attracted to the very type of fascist, authoritarian governments that the United States of America spilled countless drops of blood and treasure to defeat and destroy.
I'm not sure why you think that supporting the troops is contrary to an affinity for authoritarianism; in fact, the two are very much compatible. Conservatives in all countries, including the US, have always been happy to see the military called in to squash whoever they think is an enemy, whether foreign or domestic. Modern conservatives are the ideological descendants of the folks who wanted to crush the French Revolution and put kings back on the throne. They tend to think democracy is too messy and prefer when one person can make decisions - of course, as long as that one person is "one of them." Hence the steady conservative trend towards consolidating and expanding executive power.

Conservatives have always aped the language of liberty and freedom, but as I've said before, the libertarian version of conservatism is always more of "rules for thee and not for me" than true liberty. "Freedom of religion" for conservatives means the freedom to impose Christian theology on everyone, not religious freedom for "other" religions. "Freedom of speech" means the right for them to be free of criticism, not the right of everyone to express their opinions truthfully and without fear of government suppression. That's how you end up with all these seeming contradictions - like, for example, Donald Trump accusing the Biden admin of withholding disaster aid from conservative citizens then in the next breath threatening to withhold aid from liberal parts of the country.

There are some people who consider themselves conservative who truly believe in a more libertarian version of conservatism - free speech, small government, etc. What those people have been finding out in the last few years is that they are a much smaller minority in the conservative movement than they thought.
 
I'm not sure why you think that supporting the troops is contrary to an affinity for authoritarianism; in fact, the two are very much compatible. Conservatives in all countries, including the US, have always been happy to see the military called in to squash whoever they think is an enemy, whether foreign or domestic. Modern conservatives are the ideological descendants of the folks who wanted to crush the French Revolution and put kings back on the throne. They tend to think democracy is too messy and prefer when one person can make decisions - of course, as long as that one person is "one of them." Hence the steady conservative trend towards consolidating and expanding executive power.

Conservatives have always aped the language of liberty and freedom, but as I've said before, the libertarian version of conservatism is always more of "rules for thee and not for me" than true liberty. "Freedom of religion" for conservatives means the freedom to impose Christian theology on everyone, not religious freedom for "other" religions. "Freedom of speech" means the right for them to be free of criticism, not the right of everyone to express their opinions truthfully and without fear of government suppression. That's how you end up with all these seeming contradictions - like, for example, Donald Trump accusing the Biden admin of withholding disaster aid from conservative citizens then in the next breath threatening to withhold aid from liberal parts of the country.

There are some people who consider themselves conservative who truly believe in a more libertarian version of conservatism - free speech, small government, etc. What those people have been finding out in the last few years is that they are a much smaller minority in the conservative movement than they thought.
Hey, be easy on me, I'm a reformed conservative who is still learning!

(Fantastic points, all, and a great, thought-provoking post for me)
 
Hey, be easy on me, I'm a reformed conservative who is still learning!

(Fantastic points, all, and a great, thought-provoking post for me)
Just want to say I appreciate you and people like you who are willing to listen and learn rather than rejecting something that goes against what you were taught.

I think studying history changed the trajectory of my life. I can’t count how many times I learned something at Carolina about American history that flabbergasted me. There’s a reason the right doesn’t want Americans to learn about this stuff.
 
This has always been an American stance. There were large political and social lobbies for non-intervention in WW2 and even full on support of Nazism. I mean, literal American Nazis filled Madison Square Garden, with heils, arm patches, and all. Americans aren’t any better than or above any ideology.
In fairness, the Nazis of the 1930s didn’t have the same rep of the Nazis of today. It was more aligned with a strain of American political thought at the time.

Supporting Nazis today, in 2024, is a different thing.
 
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Just want to say I appreciate you and people like you who are willing to listen and learn rather than rejecting something that goes against what you were taught.

I think studying history changed the trajectory of my life. I can’t count how many times I learned something at Carolina about American history that flabbergasted me. There’s a reason the right doesn’t want Americans to learn about this stuff.
Shoot, man, the gratitude is all mine for people like you and others in this community (and beyond) who are willing and patient "teachers"- I can sincerely say I have learned more in my years on this board than I probably ever learned in school.
 
Yep. It's getting so much harder to give people the benefit of the doubt anymore, as there's just really any doubt left about who and what Trump and Trump is/are. I had a family member just this morning post on Facebook about how Trump was right about Hitler/the Nazis in that "they did a lot of bad things that they are remembered for but all Trump just meant that they did a lot of good things for the economy and for the German people and that even people who bad things can also do good things." Just completely and utterly an irredeemably awful point of view, and it is one that this person would have never, ever had if it had been literally any other politician or any other person saying it.
Not only is it awful, it's completely and ridiculously false. There's a reason why Germany has outlawed the Nazi party ever since 1945, and it ain't only because of concerns about the Holocaust. Hitler destroyed Germany.
 
Not only is it awful, it's completely and ridiculously false. There's a reason why Germany has outlawed the Nazi party ever since 1945, and it ain't only because of concerns about the Holocaust. Hitler destroyed Germany.
Totally. Needless to say, I was floored when I read it.
 
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