Trump tries to dodge debate on ABC by "accepting" on FOX..

[CFordUNC]

This thread must be satire or something. You guys realize your last candidate had to quit politics after the last debate right? And you think Trump is scared to debate Harris?

Eh, I hear you, but it wasn’t because Trump beat him in the debate that Biden dropped out. It was because Biden had a spectacularly disastrous debate performance which proved to the entire world that he truly was old and unable to handle the rigors of both campaigning to be president for four more years and actually being president for four more years. Trump’s debate performance was historically bad, as well, even a lot of moderate Republican politicians were saying it. It was just overshadowed by how decrepit Biden was. Trump is definitely scared to debate Harris because he is afraid of people who are unafraid of him and unafraid to fact check him. For whatever reason Biden never would or never could.

 

[05C40]

This thread must be satire or something. You guys realize your last candidate had to quit politics after the last debate right? And you think Trump is scared to debate Harris?

Disagree with the premise of your question. Our previous candidate voluntarily withdrew because he realized he was just too old to effectively engage in a Presidential campaign. It is a point in Joe Biden's favor that he realized that truly critical point and acted appropriately. Your candidate however believes there is no problem at all with his age--despite being unable to maintain a coherent train of thought for more than three seconds, his felony conviction, his being an adjudged rapist, his close friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, his multiple bankruptcies, his multiple marital infidelities, his raw-dogging of a porn star, his refusal to pay vendors because they weren't big enough to successfully sue him, and his open worship of Vladimir Putin, Viktor Orban, and Kim Jong Un, just for starters.

ETA1: Given the way it is going so far, maybe Joe Biden played Donald Trump perfectly in that debate.

ETA2: If St. Donald of Mar-a-Lago wanted to controvert the statements of Stormy Daniels, then it would have been simple to merely release a statement from his wife or his ex-wife or his daughter that his penis did not look like what Stormy described and Stormy would have been completely debunked.

 

[CFordUNC]

If Trump wasn’t actually afraid to debate Harris, he wouldn’t be begging to have the debate moved from a neutral site to his home arena with his home referees. Nobody who is confident in their ability to win a debate would scream and cry foul before the debate even begins and bag to have the venue changed, the moderators changed, and the rules changed– each of which Trump and his campaign had already agreed to.

 

[CFordUNC]

The thing with Trump, and MAGA in general, is that it is all a scam, all a veneer, all a show. There is no substance behind it. Trumpism and MAGA requires people to succumb to the belief that Trumpism/MAGA are stronger and more indomitable and more inevitable than they actually are. A prosecutor who made a career out of putting criminals behind bars would have a field day on a debate stage with a convicted felon, and would expose Trump for being weak, afraid, substance-less, and feeble.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

I think you guys must have watched a different Kamala Harris on the 2020 debate stages than I did. Tulsi Gabbard chewed her up and spit her out.

The most effective moment Harris ever had in the debate was when she called Joe Biden out for supporting racist busing back in the day. But even that moment got turned back on her when she agreed to be Joe’s running mate shortly after.

Don’t get me wrong, she can’t possibly be worse at debating than feeble ass Joe Biden. She will at least be able to make her points without saying she killed Medicare or whatever the hell it was Biden said. But in terms of actually being a force in a debate? I don’t see it.

 

[Enigma94]

I think you guys must have watched a different Kamala Harris on the 2020 debate stages than I did. Tulsi Gabbard chewed her up and spit her out.

The most effective moment Harris ever had in the debate was when she called Joe Biden out for supporting racist busing back in the day. But even that moment got turned back on her when she agreed to be Joe’s running mate shortly after.

Don’t get me wrong, she can’t possibly be worse at debating than feeble ass Joe Biden. She will at least be able to make her points without saying she killed Medicare or whatever the hell it was Biden said. But in terms of actually being a force in a debate? I don’t see it.

And there’s a good chance you will never see it since Trump is too chicken shit to say he will show up to the already agreed upon debate.

 

[Icky Mettle]

I think you guys must have watched a different Kamala Harris on the 2020 debate stages than I did. Tulsi Gabbard chewed her up and spit her out.

The most effective moment Harris ever had in the debate was when she called Joe Biden out for supporting racist busing back in the day. But even that moment got turned back on her when she agreed to be Joe’s running mate shortly after.

Don’t get me wrong, she can’t possibly be worse at debating than feeble ass Joe Biden. She will at least be able to make her points without saying she killed Medicare or whatever the hell it was Biden said. But in terms of actually being a force in a debate? I don’t see it.

No Tulsi didn’t. She made one misleading and essentially false statement that went viral in attacks against Harris. It also wasn’t a debate between Tulsi and Kamala. It was a debate among a bunch of democratic candidates. There was no one-on-one debate. Tulsi threw in that little factually-challenged jab, be she and Kamala didn’t have a full-on debate. Also, Trump isn’t Tulsi. Tulsi was at least coherent.

And regardless of whether or not she’s a master debater (yes, that was intended), she is likely to be much more suited at both challenging Trump’s rambling and lies and not having those things impact her focus. She is also much more likely than Biden to better articulate salient points and even go on the offensive.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

And there’s a good chance you will never see it since Trump is too chicken shit to say he will show up to the already agreed upon debate.

I don’t think you’re being totally impartial if you suggest that Donald Trump and Kamala Harris already agreed to the terms of any upcoming debate. Is Harris still going to show up to debate JD Vance as previously agreed to? Of course not. The whole election changed because the Democrats had a vegetable at the top of the ticket who was getting his butt kicked, so he got replaced.

I feel sure there will be at least one debate between Harris and Trump, but who knows in this environment. If anything though, Trump is overconfident, not scared, in any given situation.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

No Tulsi didn’t. She made one misleading and essentially false statement that went viral in attacks against Harris. It also wasn’t a debate between Tulsi and Kamala. It was a debate among a bunch of democratic candidates. There was no one-on-one debate. Tulsi threw in that little factually-challenged jab, be she and Kamala didn’t have a full-on debate. Also, Trump isn’t Tulsi. Tulsi was at least coherent.

And regardless of whether or not she’s a master debater (yes, that was intended), she is likely to be much more suited at both challenging Trump’s rambling and lies and not having those things impact her focus. She is also much more likely than Biden to better articulate salient points and even go on the offensive.

No argument from me that if Joe Biden is the bar, Harris will clear that bar by a lot. But I do think Harris is a weak overall candidate and debater by normal standards.

 

[CallMeTyler]

I think you guys must have watched a different Kamala Harris on the 2020 debate stages than I did. Tulsi Gabbard chewed her up and spit her out.

The most effective moment Harris ever had in the debate was when she called Joe Biden out for supporting racist busing back in the day. But even that moment got turned back on her when she agreed to be Joe’s running mate shortly after.

Don’t get me wrong, she can’t possibly be worse at debating than feeble ass Joe Biden. She will at least be able to make her points without saying she killed Medicare or whatever the hell it was Biden said. But in terms of actually being a force in a debate? I don’t see it.

Criticism on debate performances from the self-admitted "moderate" who voted for Trump twice after watching his belligerent tirades for 8 years. Are you sure you have standards with which to base your criticism?

 

[Enigma94]

I don’t think you’re being totally impartial if you suggest that Donald Trump and Kamala Harris already agreed to the terms of any upcoming debate. Is Harris still going to show up to debate JD Vance as previously agreed to? Of course not. The whole election changed because the Democrats had a vegetable at the top of the ticket who was getting his butt kicked, so he got replaced.

I feel sure there will be at least one debate between Harris and Trump, but who knows in this environment. If anything though, Trump is overconfident, not scared, in any given situation.

The only thing that’s changed about the next debate is Harris instead of Biden. If Trump was planning to show up versus Biden then why not against Harris? The fact he tried to change venue, moderators and rules shows he’s scared.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

Criticism on debate performances from the self-admitted "moderate" who voted for Trump twice after watching his belligerent tirades for 8 years. Are you sure you have standards with which to base your criticism?

I’m voting split ticket in a purple state so I think I’m a little more qualified to wear the self-proclaimed moderate label than you or many others are.

Splits like mine (Trump/Cooper in the past, Trump/Stein this time, etc.) can’t even be comprehended by many on this board but have been the key ballots that have decided the winners of several recent high profile races in NC.

 

[CallMeTyler]

I don’t think you’re being totally impartial if you suggest that Donald Trump and Kamala Harris already agreed to the terms of any upcoming debate. Is Harris still going to show up to debate JD Vance as previously agreed to? Of course not. The whole election changed because the Democrats had a vegetable at the top of the ticket who was getting his butt kicked, so he got replaced.

I feel sure there will be at least one debate between Harris and Trump, but who knows in this environment. If anything though, Trump is overconfident, not scared, in any given situation.

He ducked the debate he already committed to. Arguing the candidacy changed the agreement is false when he used multiple excuses including: he was leading in the polls (he's not, so goodbye excuse #1) and she wasn't the nominee (goodbye excuse #2).

Why do you insist on carrying all of Trump's baggage? He's a big boy - he doesn't need the online stans.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

He ducked the debate he already committed to. Arguing the candidacy changed the agreement is false when he used multiple excuses including: he was leading in the polls (he's not, so goodbye excuse #1) and she wasn't the nominee (goodbye excuse #2).

Why do you insist on carrying all of Trump's baggage? He's a big boy - he doesn't need the online stans.

It’s just amusing to me that the last Dem nominee lost the debate against Trump so badly that it ended his political career, even after he had won all the primaries as the incumbent president, but yet y’all think Trump is scared to debate Kamala Harris

Your argument is like if UNC beat Elon by 50 points on the road at Elon, then Elon’s powerful boosters fired the coach midseason, and the new coach and all the Elon fans accused Hubert of being scared to play them after that.

 

[Enigma94]

It’s just amusing to me that the last Dem nominee lost the debate against Trump so badly that it ended his political career, even after he had won all the primaries as the incumbent president, but yet y’all think Trump is scared to debate Kamala Harris

Then why won’t he just agree to do it?

 

[CallMeTyler]

It’s just amusing to me that the last Dem nominee lost the debate against Trump so badly that it ended his political career, even after he had won all the primaries as the incumbent president, but yet y’all think Trump is scared to debate Kamala Harris

Your argument is like if UNC beat Elon by 50 points on the road at Elon, then Elon’s powerful boosters fired the coach midseason, and the new coach and all the Elon fans accused Hubert of being scared to play them after that.

Biden didn't lose the debate - he couldn't properly convey his points clearly to the audience. Trump simply lied.

Fact checks are your friend.

And a team sport is akin to two individuals exchanging ideas on policy? Does that analogy logically follow?

 

[EyeballKid]

It’s just amusing to me that the last Dem nominee lost the debate against Trump so badly that it ended his political career, even after he had won all the primaries as the incumbent president, but yet y’all think Trump is scared to debate Kamala Harris

Your argument is like if UNC beat Elon by 50 points on the road at Elon, then Elon’s powerful boosters fired the coach midseason, and the new coach and all the Elon fans accused Hubert of being scared to play them after that.

And it’s amusing to me that you continue to gloss over the fact that Trump is the one who wants to change the terms of the agreement.

Kamala has said she’ll be there on sept 10th. Trump has backed out and wants to change the date, network, and terms.

 

[Patb78]

It’s just amusing to me that the last Dem nominee lost the debate against Trump so badly that it ended his political career, even after he had won all the primaries as the incumbent president, but yet y’all think Trump is scared to debate Kamala Harris

Your argument is like if UNC beat Elon by 50 points on the road at Elon, then Elon’s powerful boosters fired the coach midseason, and the new coach and all the Elon fans accused Hubert of being scared to play them after that.

If he wasn’t scared he wouldn’t be trying to make the changes to the debate he’s trying to make. If he wasn’t afraid of her, he would just say bring it on.

 

[Enigma94]

It’s just amusing to me that the last Dem nominee lost the debate against Trump so badly that it ended his political career, even after he had won all the primaries as the incumbent president, but yet y’all think Trump is scared to debate Kamala Harris

Your argument is like if UNC beat Elon by 50 points on the road at Elon, then Elon’s powerful boosters fired the coach midseason, and the new coach and all the Elon fans accused Hubert of being scared to play them after that.

You edited your response after I responded (board note - would be nice to show edits on posts). Your analogy is flawed because it wouldn’t be like playing the same Elon team again. A better analogy would be if UNC beat Arkansas by 50 then Calipari was hired and stocked the team with 5 stars and top portal players so UNC backed out of a previously agreed upon game the next year.

 

[Zoo_View]

No Tulsi didn’t. She made one misleading and essentially false statement that went viral in attacks against Harris. It also wasn’t a debate between Tulsi and Kamala. It was a debate among a bunch of democratic candidates. There was no one-on-one debate. Tulsi threw in that little factually-challenged jab, be she and Kamala didn’t have a full-on debate. Also, Trump isn’t Tulsi. Tulsi was at least coherent.

And regardless of whether or not she’s a master debater (yes, that was intended), she is likely to be much more suited at both challenging Trump’s rambling and lies and not having those things impact her focus. She is also much more likely than Biden to better articulate salient points and even go on the offensive.

She’s also going to look and sound much younger and more vibrant than Trump.