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Trump: "We will take over Gaza and move all Palestinians out"
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Apparently, you also can’t help if your statements are not as intelligent as we want them to be.
Considering 10/7 in a vacuum is not a serious argument.
You’re dumb, or a troll, or both. More power and patience to the posters who are taking you seriously and trying to usher you toward some semblance of a reasonable argument.
Of course it was ignored. Ever wonder why? Ever wonder why the far right in Israel which has pretty much controlled Israel for the last 30 years doesn't actually do anything constructive to replace Hamas with a viable government which would kill Hamas?
The far right in Israel needs Hamas and Hamas needs Israel's far right. Without the other, each would not have a reason to exist and thus couldn't get power. That's the way extreme's operate.
Yes, there was a reason the lead up to 10-7 was ignored. Yes, there was a reason the tunnels were ignored for decades. Yes, a reason the aid to Hamas was ignored. And yes, Hamas knew Israel's far right would do what they did and bomb the hell out of the people. Didn't matter, because it was more important that Hamas had generations of future recruitment.
Both extreme's need war for power. Its that simple. No one can reasonably blame incompetence for all those yes answers.
And frankly, its kinda hard to fully blame the Palistinian people for their government. They are surrounded by bad actors including Israel's far right, who have every interest in making sure the Palistinians don't have a viable government.
This may have been posted at some point in this thread, but it’s a fantastic doc made by two Israelis and two Palestinians over the course of several years (and filming concluded in Oct 2023).
Despite being an Oscars contender, it currently has no US distribution deal, because the distributors are cowards. It'll be around eventually though, and it’s a must-see:
Despite being an Oscars contender, it currently has no US distribution deal, because the distributors are cowards. It'll be around eventually though, and it’s a must-see:
"10/8 wouldn't have happened without 10/7" is not a controversial argument, nor is it a hard one to grasp. The fact that you are having such a difficult time with it is much more of a testament to your shortcomings than it is to my own.
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I think you're making a mistake that I made, which is to confuse (implicitly perhaps) this poster with some others. I don't think he's a troll, and I don't think he's stupid.
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God, I can hardly watch videos of those ****ing settlers. It just makes my blood boil so bad.
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All right. So what's the argument, then? What are we talking about? If we agree about who the bad guys are, and we agree about who the victims are, and we agree about the mechanisms of victimization, what is the dispute?
I don't think you and I have one. Perhaps you should ask the other posters who are attacking me for stating noncontroversial opinions. When I made the original statement I had no idea it would generate such hostility from some.
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The arrogance, unfiltered hatred, and dehumanization they blithely demonstrate riles hate within me.
To be clear, I didn't watch the trailer, but I've suffered through several investigative reports on the settlers (I think one was Vice), and I find them amongst the most detestable personalities on the planet.
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But anyone who claims he will do X because he said he would do X is hysterical. But once he actually does X, you are a loser to complain because that is what he said he would do and what people elected him to do.
There is one last part - I don't actually support him doing X, so even though I voted for him that absolves me of blame.
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Well, I don't think it's so simple. I believe that you didn't anticipate the blowback, but it's also true that you could listen to some of the criticism a little bit more carefully and constructively as you can. For instance, here's something you wrote:
"10/7 started all of this. Without it, there would have been no major war in Gaza. Great job, Hamas."
OK, 10/7 didn't in fact start all of 'this." And given our discussion earlier, it appears that you agree. Which means that what you wrote was incorrect -- or perhaps imprecise. What is "this"? I try to avoid using the nominative forms of "this" precisely because they create so much confusion. I would say, "the particularly vicious Israeli response," or something like that. Does it require more words and create a long post? It does. Until recently, college grads weren't allergic to reading a couple of paragraphs. Precision and brevity rarely go hand in hand.
And it's also important to understand background assumptions. There are a lot of people who do in fact argue that 10/7 was the beginning of everything, that Palestinians are getting what they deserve, etc. That's a fact. They are here on the board and have been here. So when you argue something similar, if you're not precise, your views are going to get lumped together. That's how mass conversations work. It would help to be more cognizant of how your posts interact with the overall discourse.
[BTW, I think you probably should find a new screen name. There's one dominant "Z" name poster here, and he has something of a similar posting style to you, and because that poster is ubiquitous and frustrating, you're being confused.]
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i see that you didn't quote my post where i acknowledged the atrocity that occurred on 10/7 and called Palestinians the "primary victims" which acknowledges that there are indeed other victims.
the colonizers still aren't the larger victims in this situation despite that awful event.
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Wait wait wait
Which is it? Rubio said it was a generous offer for the U.S. to clean up the Gaza Strip and provide temporary housing to Palestinians in the meantime … and Caroline Leavitt said this:
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If you think it makes you mad now, just wait until some MAGA's comes along, kicks you out of your house at gun point, and starts living there. And when you call the police, the police arrest you and send you to a deportation camp.
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Not fair.