Trump: "We will take over Gaza and move all Palestinians out"

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gtyellowjacket said:
Yes Trump actually not conquering Greenland, panama, canada, Gaza, Mexico and Venezuela all strike me as actions that an isolationist would take.
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Um,

1. Do you agree that not all American foreign policy has been isolationist? As in, we've had presidents whose policies cannot reasonably described that way, correct? If so, then:
2. None of our presidents have invaded any of those countries;
3. Thus, not invading has no special significance, especially not the talismanic significance you propose.

Let's draw an analogy. Suppose you're in a bar and somebody runs around the bar yelling at people all night. At no point does he actually hit anyone. Would you call him a peaceful person? I would not.
 
sringwal said:
And this is how you have misjudged Trump. He isn’t an isolationist; he is an imperialist.
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He really isn't. He could have gone into North Korea when they were threatening US Territory with a nuclear strike. He could have expanded operations in Syria after a chemical weapons attack. He pulled troops out (abandoning the Kurds).

He's a saber rattler. He threatens, he sanctions, he drone strikes the freaking vice president of Iran, but at the end of the day, he tries to get his way without putting boots on the ground.
 
He is both an imperialist and a coward. But here is the thing about cowards; their greatest fear is being exposed as the frauds that they are; at some point, Trump is going to convince himself that he, indeed, a “tough guy.”

And a tough guy, in Trump’s mind, is one who takes.

Just because he hasn’t in the past doesn’t mean he won’t in the future. Trump has done a great deal that he didn’t do the first go round.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
He really isn't. He could have gone into North Korea when they were threatening US Territory with a nuclear strike. He could have expanded operations in Syria after a chemical weapons attack. He pulled troops out (abandoning the Kurds).

He's a saber rattler. He threatens, he sanctions, he drone strikes the freaking vice president of Iran, but at the end of the day, he tries to get his way without putting boots on the ground.
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gtyellowjacket said:
He really isn't. He could have gone into North Korea when they were threatening US Territory with a nuclear strike. He could have expanded operations in Syria after a chemical weapons attack. He pulled troops out (abandoning the Kurds).

He's a saber rattler. He threatens, he sanctions, he drone strikes the freaking vice president of Iran, but at the end of the day, he tries to get his way without putting boots on the ground.
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By definition, I believe one can be an imperialist without putting boots on the ground. If you are powerful just being a bully would be enough. Just an opinion.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
He really isn't. He could have gone into North Korea when they were threatening US Territory with a nuclear strike. He could have expanded operations in Syria after a chemical weapons attack. He pulled troops out (abandoning the Kurds).

He's a saber rattler. He threatens, he sanctions, he drone strikes the freaking vice president of Iran, but at the end of the day, he tries to get his way without putting boots on the ground.
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Huh?

Not invading a nuclear North Korea makes him an isolationist?

Well, that is a take I guess.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Yes Trump actually not conquering Greenland, panama, canada, Gaza, Mexico and Venezuela all strike me as actions that an isolationist would take.
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superrific said:
Um,

2. None of our presidents have invaded any of those countries;
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Everyone's going to let this one slide by?

On a side note, I think most folks knew about Canada, Mexico and Panama but did anyone know that FDR invaded Greenland? I was surprised when I looked it up. He invaded Greenland to keep it away from the Nazis but also to keep it away from the British and the Norwegians. Denmark was officially neutral at the time but under Nazi control.
 
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StrangePackage said:
No, but I do believe a narcissist when they tell you they're going to hurt others to make themselves feel better.

I see you haven't learned that.
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Yeah. I think when he says dumb stuff like he's going to totally destroy North Korea or inflict fire and fury on North Korea ,like he did the first term, I think you can start ignoring it.

Or don't. I know it's a lot more fun for some people to get all worked up about Trump saying something stupid, and then forget about it when he doesn't do it and says something else stupid the next week. I certainly got in on it the first term but I think this time, I think I'll wait until it actually happens before I get upset.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Everyone's going to let this one slide by?

On a side note, I think most folks knew about Canada, Mexico and Panama but did anyone know that FDR invaded Greenland? I was surprised when I looked it up. He invaded Greenland to keep it away from the Nazis but also to keep it away from the British and the Norwegians. Denmark was officially neutral at the time but under Nazi control
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You can’t call what FDR did in Greenland an invasion. The Danish government in exile gave its approval. To say Denmark was neutral is a stretch to say the least.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Yeah. I think when he says dumb stuff like he's going to totally destroy North Korea or inflict fire and fury on North Korea ,like he did the first term, I think you can start ignoring it.

Or don't. I know it's a lot more fun for some people to get all worked up about Trump saying something stupid, and then forget about it when he doesn't do it and says something else stupid the next week. I certainly got in on it the first term but I think this time, I think I'll wait until it actually happens before I get upset.
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Patb78 said:
You can’t call what FDR did in Greenland an invasion. The Danish government in exile gave its approval. To say Denmark was neutral is a stretch to say the least.
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Well I know but technically it was an invasion. The official Danish government, that the US never recognized, did not give the US permission to occupy the country. The unelected Danish ambassador to the US and some local officials in Greenland gave permission.

I just thought it was a cool piece of History. Not only that the US occupied Greenland, which I kind of knew, but that FDR did it to prevent the Nazis but also the British and the Norwegians from occupying it. I did not know that.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Well I know but technically it was an invasion. The official Danish government, that the US never recognized, did not give the US permission to occupy the country. The unelected Danish ambassador to the US and some local officials in Greenland gave permission.

I just thought it was a cool piece of History. Not only that the US occupied Greenland, which I kind of knew, but that FDR did it to prevent the Nazis but also the British and the Norwegians from occupying it. I did not know that.
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You don’t understand the meaning of the word invasion. The puppet government the Nazis install in Denmark had no legitimacy. The west recognized the government in exile. Norway was also occupied by the Nazis. The British also agreed to us taking control of Greenland. The British were our staunchest allies. It was not a competition to see could occupy Greenland first. I don’t know where you are getting your history on this, but whoever wrote it doesn’t know what they are talking about if you are paraphrasing them.
 
Patb78 said:
You don’t understand the meaning of the word invasion. The puppet government the Nazis install in Denmark had no legitimacy. The west recognized the government in exile. Norway was also occupied by the Nazis. The British also agreed to us taking control of Greenland. The British were our staunchest allies. It was not a competition to see could occupy Greenland first. I don’t know where you are getting your history on this, but whoever wrote it doesn’t know what they are talking about if you are paraphrasing them.
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I don't think you have the background to understand the nuance of the occupation of Denmark. Germany controlled foreign policy, but domestic policy was much more of a give and take until 1943 or so. Denmark had their own elections and a head of state was an anti Nazi before the invasion for a few years. Several neutral countries like Switzerland and Portugal recognize the Danish government and copenhagen. The control wasn't nearly as tight as France for example.

The British agreed with the US occupation of Greenland eventually but initially there was a plan for British and Canadian occupation that the United States firmly rejected. And that goes along with FDR's anti-colonialism stance. Britain was the US's closest Ally but the US, and especially FDR, was not a fan of Britain's colonial policies. And it had the largest colonial empire ever at the time.

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Greenland in World War II

Before the war, Greenland was a tightly controlled colony of Denmark, otherwise closed off to the world. After the Invasion of Denmark on 9 April 1940, Greenland was left on her own, because the Royal Navy seized any ships arriving from Axis-controlled Europe. Britain and Canada initially laid...
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sringwal said:
And this is how you have misjudged Trump. He isn’t an isolationist; he is an imperialist.
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but a very astute and circumspect historian which makes him expert in foreign relations...

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Georgia Tech really needs to improve their international studies department.
 
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