Trump: "We will take over Gaza and move all Palestinians out"

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DiehardHeelFan said:
Then what are you saying?
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Here is my opinion in trying to be objective:

1. Trump's comments are pure trump (and certainly in keeping with his personality) that most dimocrats haven't learned to take with a grain of salt so his comments don't shock me and I believe he is searching for something he can achieve that would make him mt. rushmore worthy in his mind. Its mostly ego driven.
2. Trump is right when he says they have nothing to go back to. They don't. There is nothing to support that number of people.
3. Trump is right that even if they could rebuild, it will just get torn down again and again and again.
4. Trump is theoretically correct that with international help and financial assistance they could build without future destruction and supposedly live in peace.
5. Trump is incorrect in his thinking that palestinians would consider it which would mean then that to move forward would require military force.
6. Americans would never support forcefully removing them. I certainly would never support it. Americans wouldn't support military intervention as placeholders or peacekeepers once Americans start getting killed. I would not support a military presence there
7. Trump is incorrect to think that we could do it without turning most of the Arab world against us and make terrorism and violence worse than it is now.
8. Trump's idea is no less preposterous in terms of any concept of lasting peace than palestinians returning to gaza and the process just repeating itself.
9. Due to numbers 5, 6, and 7 I don't support his idea or any such initiative but its commical how many of you jump to ethnic cleansing and lose your shit over something that isn't going to happen. However, getting people to think bigger or differently than just palestinians will return and history repeats itself is something positive even if that isn't his intended objective. His intended objective is the trump company developing land long after he leaves office. Its pretty transparent.
10. Things can change rapidly and I would support something different than just the status quo assuming it didn't put US military lives in danger or cause the arab world to engage in a jihad against the US. So something different would have to enlist acceptance and assistance from the Arab world exclusive of Iran.
 
Callatoroy said:
Here is my opinion in trying to be objective:

1. Trump's comments are pure trump (and certainly in keeping with his personality) that most dimocrats haven't learned to take with a grain of salt so his comments don't shock me and I believe he is searching for something he can achieve that would make him mt. rushmore worthy in his mind. Its mostly ego driven.
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Gee, don't remember Republicans taking anything Biden or Obama ever said..........with a GRAIN OF SALT. Sure hope China, Iran, and Russia know all about his SALT.
 
Normally, the Trump White House would just roll out a fresh new distraction to cover for the latest one. But they really got to smoke some good stuff to come up with a distraction to top this one.
 
Healing said:
Hey maga and Good Germans, what're your thoughts on representatives of your team openly advocating for ethnic cleansing?
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Well, they aren’t condemning it, are they? Any single Republican on this thread or out in the world? Is there even one?
 
uncmba said:
Trump Gaza Hotel and Casino
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Callatoroy said:
Here is my opinion in trying to be objective:

1. Trump's comments are pure trump (and certainly in keeping with his personality) that most dimocrats haven't learned to take with a grain of salt so his comments don't shock me and I believe he is searching for something he can achieve that would make him mt. rushmore worthy in his mind. Its mostly ego driven.
2. Trump is right when he says they have nothing to go back to. They don't. There is nothing to support that number of people.
3. Trump is right that even if they could rebuild, it will just get torn down again and again and again.
4. Trump is theoretically correct that with international help and financial assistance they could build without future destruction and supposedly live in peace.
5. Trump is incorrect in his thinking that palestinians would consider it which would mean then that to move forward would require military force.
6. Americans would never support forcefully removing them. I certainly would never support it. Americans wouldn't support military intervention as placeholders or peacekeepers once Americans start getting killed. I would not support a military presence there
7. Trump is incorrect to think that we could do it without turning most of the Arab world against us and make terrorism and violence worse than it is now.
8. Trump's idea is no less preposterous in terms of any concept of lasting peace than palestinians returning to gaza and the process just repeating itself.
9. Due to numbers 5, 6, and 7 I don't support his idea or any such initiative but its commical how many of you jump to ethnic cleansing and lose your shit over something that isn't going to happen. However, getting people to think bigger or differently than just palestinians will return and history repeats itself is something positive even if that isn't his intended objective. His intended objective is the trump company developing land long after he leaves office. Its pretty transparent.
10. Things can change rapidly and I would support something different than just the status quo assuming it didn't put US military lives in danger or cause the arab world to engage in a jihad against the US. So something different would have to enlist acceptance and assistance from the Arab world exclusive of Iran.
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And here’s mine, you political coward:
It’s reckless, irresponsible and, frankly, unbecoming of the president of the United States. That’s all that needs to be said about this.
 
political coward lmmfao thats some comedic self-righteousness from the blue team right there. you and wayne need to come up from moms basement its nite nite time
 


“…
After an Oval Office meeting with Netanyahu, Trump presented his proposal to turn Gaza — largely destroyed by Israel in its war with Hamas — into what he called the "Riviera of the Middle East" and invite "the world's people" to move there.

  • The sense of shock was palpable among the 150 journalists in the room.
  • Very few people on Trump's team knew in advance that he would go so far as to pronounce the U.S. would "own" the war-scarred enclave — a highly interventionist endeavor for a long-time critic of U.S. nation-building around the world.
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  • Trump's displacement plan was praised by members of the Israeli far-right as a "green light" for full Israeli occupation of Gaza and the building of settlements.
  • A source close to Trump said that's not his intention. …”
 
RaiGuy said:
So you’re saying the destruction of Gaza and the killing of tens of thousands was warranted?
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That’s a different question. Do you think any of this would have happened without 10/7? Hamas FAFO and innocent Palestinians bore the brunt, as usual.
 
The article linked above also reports that an unnamed aide said Trump was in part motivated by seeing the scale and scope of destruction in Gaza. He is not wrong about the monumental task of rebuilding even if no one lives there and the task is almost unimaginable with 2 million people in residence. So there is some basic human motivation.

But the problem appears in part to be that (a) Trump has such an unsophisticated view of the issues facing the region and (b) worse that he seems to see Palestinians as a human herd without fundamental rights to be managed en masse rather than as a human beings in their own homeland. I actually believe he sees displacing them as for their own good and something they will just get over once they have somewhere better than rubble to live.
 
Healing said:
So, what are your thoughts on trump’s statement that Gaza will be ethnically cleansed?
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He stated it above, he's ok with a trump resort on the property.

It's sad and interesting that trump appears to want to openly us the government to grow his personal wealth. At least previously they had some deniability as his use of the government to benefit himself personally wasn't so direct and open.
 
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nycfan said:


“…“The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip and we’ll do a job with it, too. We’ll own it,” Trump said.

“I do see a long-term ownership position, and I see it bringing great stability to that part of the Middle East, and maybe the entire Middle East.”

Trump suggested that U.S. troops would be used, if needed, to implement his vision for Gaza.

He presented this idea, one never before suggested by a U.S. president or Middle East peace negotiator, as a way to end generations of conflict between Israel and the Palestinians and, also, as a bonus, an opportunity to create sweet real-estate development opportunities.

The idea was breathtaking in its audacity, and it would be fair to say that its implementation would run into myriad obstacles at home and abroad, except that the overwhelming likelihood is that the U.S. would never come near implementing this notion.

Trump’s proposal to displace 2.2 million Palestinian residents from their homes, which he expanded on today, has already angered the Arab world.

A direct American intervention in Gaza would radically expand the U.S. footprint in the Middle East, giving it possession of a territory devastated by 15 months of fighting between Hamas and the Israel Defense Forces, ignited by the Hamas attack on Israel on October 7, 2023. And it could further destabilize a region never known for its stability.

… Trump’s Gaza plan, were it to be carried out, would appear to be a remarkable win for the far-right members in Netanyahu’s governing coalition, who have longed for permanent Israeli expansion into both Gaza and the West Bank.

Netanyahu—a longtime Trump ally, and the first foreign leader to visit the White House in the president’s second term—suggested that he was open to the idea, noting that Trump “sees a different future for that piece of land.”

He added: “It’s worth paying attention to this. We’re talking about it. It’s something that could change history.”

… One White House official told me that Trump’s comments were not a spur-of-the-moment suggestion but reflective of a newfound, postelection confidence that he could put together the ultimate deal and change decades of history. …”
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Well then, fuck the Palestinians is we can get some sweet real-estate opportunities.

But why does Netanyahu think that Isreal will control Gaza or the west bank?
 
Callatoroy said:
I disagree. I think trump does care about palestinians suffering. I also think he sees developmental opportunities. Both can be true.
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So, if you and your neighbors can't get along. Your neighbor has the upper hand because he has a weapons supplier that you do not. You don't want to move. You just want to live your life. You would see the neighbor's weapon supplier offering to move you and take over your property as a good thing?

I doubt many Palestinians will see being forced to leave their homea as a great option.
 
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