Trump: "We will take over Gaza and move all Palestinians out"

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political coward lmmfao thats some comedic self-righteousness from the blue team right there. you and wayne need to come up from moms basement its nite nite time
 


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After an Oval Office meeting with Netanyahu, Trump presented his proposal to turn Gaza — largely destroyed by Israel in its war with Hamas — into what he called the "Riviera of the Middle East" and invite "the world's people" to move there.

  • The sense of shock was palpable among the 150 journalists in the room.
  • Very few people on Trump's team knew in advance that he would go so far as to pronounce the U.S. would "own" the war-scarred enclave — a highly interventionist endeavor for a long-time critic of U.S. nation-building around the world.
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  • Trump's displacement plan was praised by members of the Israeli far-right as a "green light" for full Israeli occupation of Gaza and the building of settlements.
  • A source close to Trump said that's not his intention. …”
 
RaiGuy said:
So you’re saying the destruction of Gaza and the killing of tens of thousands was warranted?
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That’s a different question. Do you think any of this would have happened without 10/7? Hamas FAFO and innocent Palestinians bore the brunt, as usual.
 
The article linked above also reports that an unnamed aide said Trump was in part motivated by seeing the scale and scope of destruction in Gaza. He is not wrong about the monumental task of rebuilding even if no one lives there and the task is almost unimaginable with 2 million people in residence. So there is some basic human motivation.

But the problem appears in part to be that (a) Trump has such an unsophisticated view of the issues facing the region and (b) worse that he seems to see Palestinians as a human herd without fundamental rights to be managed en masse rather than as a human beings in their own homeland. I actually believe he sees displacing them as for their own good and something they will just get over once they have somewhere better than rubble to live.
 
Healing said:
So, what are your thoughts on trump’s statement that Gaza will be ethnically cleansed?
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He stated it above, he's ok with a trump resort on the property.

It's sad and interesting that trump appears to want to openly us the government to grow his personal wealth. At least previously they had some deniability as his use of the government to benefit himself personally wasn't so direct and open.
 
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“…“The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip and we’ll do a job with it, too. We’ll own it,” Trump said.

“I do see a long-term ownership position, and I see it bringing great stability to that part of the Middle East, and maybe the entire Middle East.”

Trump suggested that U.S. troops would be used, if needed, to implement his vision for Gaza.

He presented this idea, one never before suggested by a U.S. president or Middle East peace negotiator, as a way to end generations of conflict between Israel and the Palestinians and, also, as a bonus, an opportunity to create sweet real-estate development opportunities.

The idea was breathtaking in its audacity, and it would be fair to say that its implementation would run into myriad obstacles at home and abroad, except that the overwhelming likelihood is that the U.S. would never come near implementing this notion.

Trump’s proposal to displace 2.2 million Palestinian residents from their homes, which he expanded on today, has already angered the Arab world.

A direct American intervention in Gaza would radically expand the U.S. footprint in the Middle East, giving it possession of a territory devastated by 15 months of fighting between Hamas and the Israel Defense Forces, ignited by the Hamas attack on Israel on October 7, 2023. And it could further destabilize a region never known for its stability.

… Trump’s Gaza plan, were it to be carried out, would appear to be a remarkable win for the far-right members in Netanyahu’s governing coalition, who have longed for permanent Israeli expansion into both Gaza and the West Bank.

Netanyahu—a longtime Trump ally, and the first foreign leader to visit the White House in the president’s second term—suggested that he was open to the idea, noting that Trump “sees a different future for that piece of land.”

He added: “It’s worth paying attention to this. We’re talking about it. It’s something that could change history.”

… One White House official told me that Trump’s comments were not a spur-of-the-moment suggestion but reflective of a newfound, postelection confidence that he could put together the ultimate deal and change decades of history. …”
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Well then, fuck the Palestinians is we can get some sweet real-estate opportunities.

But why does Netanyahu think that Isreal will control Gaza or the west bank?
 
Callatoroy said:
I disagree. I think trump does care about palestinians suffering. I also think he sees developmental opportunities. Both can be true.
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So, if you and your neighbors can't get along. Your neighbor has the upper hand because he has a weapons supplier that you do not. You don't want to move. You just want to live your life. You would see the neighbor's weapon supplier offering to move you and take over your property as a good thing?

I doubt many Palestinians will see being forced to leave their homea as a great option.
 
UNCatTech said:
So, if you and your neighbors can't get along. Your neighbor has the upper hand because he has a weapons supplier that you do not. You don't want to move. You just want to live your life. You would see the neighbor's weapon supplier offering to move you and take over your property as a good thing?

I doubt many Palestinians will see being forced to leave their homea as a great option.
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I think if my current home was a pile of rubble located in a very dangerous neighborhood, and my neighbor's weapon supplier offered to build me a nice, modern home located in a safe neighborhood where I had a chance to actually prosper and give my family a good life, I might take him up on that offer.

If the new Gaza strip, wherever that may be, does not share a physical border with Israel and is able to actually give the Palestinians things they have long wanted (a state of their own, an airport, the ability to control their own trade) then this could be a net win for them. Of course, all of those "ifs" are major contingencies. If you just take 1.8 million people and put them in a new slum a few miles down the road, nothing will change for the better.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
I think if my current home was a pile of rubble located in a very dangerous neighborhood, and my neighbor's weapon supplier offered to build me a nice, modern home located in a safe neighborhood where I had a chance to actually prosper and give my family a good life, I might take him up on that offer.

If the new Gaza strip, wherever that may be, does not share a physical border with Israel and is able to actually give the Palestinians things they have long wanted (a state of their own, an airport, the ability to control their own trade) then this could be a net win for them. Of course, all of those "ifs" are major contingencies. If you just take 1.8 million people and put them in a new slum a few miles down the road, nothing will change for the better.
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Sounds very much like how we started Israel in the first place which has clearly been a huge win for middle east stability and peace. 🙄

Which sovereign entity is going to give up this paradise
 
Sure if there was some Shangri-La out there available to move 2 million people to where they could live and prosper I suppose that would be great. But the problem is:

1) No such place exists, it would have to be built same as Gaza needs to be re-built
2) The Arab countries don't want 2 million refugee immigrants any more than we would want to take that on
3) Trump seems to think that not only the Arab countries should take them, but also foot the bill for this hypothetical utopia and
4) The Palestinians themselves don't want to leave the land their ancestors have lived on for generations

So despite all of that it's a terrific idea.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
I think if my current home was a pile of rubble located in a very dangerous neighborhood, and my neighbor's weapon supplier offered to build me a nice, modern home located in a safe neighborhood where I had a chance to actually prosper and give my family a good life, I might take him up on that offer.

If the new Gaza strip, wherever that may be, does not share a physical border with Israel and is able to actually give the Palestinians things they have long wanted (a state of their own, an airport, the ability to control their own trade) then this could be a net win for them. Of course, all of those "ifs" are major contingencies. If you just take 1.8 million people and put them in a new slum a few miles down the road, nothing will change for the better.
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Exactly the details matter, I really doubt that trump's plan is to build them nice houses when they are resettled.
 
Enigma94 said:
Sure if there was some Shangri-La out there available to move 2 million people to where they could live and prosper I suppose that would be great. But the problem is:

1) No such place exists, it would have to be built same as Gaza needs to be re-built
2) The Arab countries don't want 2 million refugee immigrants any more than we would want to take that on
3) Trump seems to think that not only the Arab countries should take them, but also foot the bill for this hypothetical utopia and
4) The Palestinians themselves don't want to leave the land their ancestors have lived on for generations

So despite all of that it's a terrific idea.
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I'd be willing to give them Florida.
 
Enigma94 said:
Sure if there was some Shangri-La out there available to move 2 million people to where they could live and prosper I suppose that would be great. But the problem is:

1) No such place exists, it would have to be built same as Gaza needs to be re-built
2) The Arab countries don't want 2 million refugee immigrants any more than we would want to take that on
3) Trump seems to think that not only the Arab countries should take them, but also foot the bill for this hypothetical utopia and
4) The Palestinians themselves don't want to leave the land their ancestors have lived on for generations

So despite all of that it's a terrific idea.
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Well done!
 
Of all the stupid ideas Trump has had, this might take the prize.

For someone who doesn't want to get involved if overseas adventures, this is the most complicated situation you could consider.

Bibi had a hard time holding back his glee.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
That’s a different question. Do you think any of this would have happened without 10/7? Hamas FAFO and innocent Palestinians bore the brunt, as usual.
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100%
This has been Netanyahu and his far right people's plan for years. Why else would Netanyahu have been secretly funding Hamas and blocking elections from happening the last few years? Not to mention turning Gaza into an open-air prison to building up the tension. There was no doubt that something like that would happen. Again, go back and read the threads directly after Oct 7th. I posted that this was the plan all along, but some said I was being paranoid. I said it from the start and I'll say it again. This was never about Hamas nor the prisoners. You can stick your head in the sand and believe it was, but they aren't even hiding it anymore. Just look at the dumb smirk that Netanyahu had while Trump was suggesting this. As it was mentioned before, the West Bank is next. They've already started. Trump basically told them to accept this farce ceasefire deal and he greenlit them taking over the land. And for Gaza, once the Palestinians refuse to leave, then watch for some kind of reason where Israel will say that Hamas violated the ceasefire and they will continue with their genocide (even though Israel violated the ceasefire the first freaking day when it shot people that had returned to their homes and also a sniper took out a child that was riding a donkey.)
 
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