Trump47 Cabinet Picks & First 100 Days Agenda

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superrific said:
In fairness, though, he put a stop to Trump's Ukraine extortion. From what I understand, he didn't even ask the boss. He just told everyone to get the aid flowing. Yes, he probably did so because he feels personally offended if weapons are sitting around idle, but it was a laudable move.

Bolton has proven to be a guy who values country over party. That's not nearly enough to make him a guy I would ever want to work with, but it's at least something. Better than the GOPers like Cotton who are not only bloodthirsty but are just itching for a chance to open fire on Americans.
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Bolton puts his ideology over his country. I don’t think he cares about the Republican Party. He’s committed to American imperialism. If that means young men and women need to die in a war against Iran, so be it.
 
Paine said:
John Bolton is a blood-thirsty ghoul. I’m glad no one is listening to what he has to say.
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Disagree as I always do when people post stuff like this.

Nobody on the right will listen to warnings about Trump from the left. It brings more legitimacy in their eyes when someone from the right speaks out - whether it is Bolton or Pence or Chaney.

I don’t at all understand the instinct to criticize people for speaking out against Trump. Agreeing with Bolton and accepting that he is doing right by speaking out doesn’t mean you are defending everything Bolton did or stands for.

When someone is giving you a win, take it. This purity test only harms democrats.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
Disagree as I always do when people post stuff like this.

Nobody on the right will listen to warnings about Trump from the left. It brings more legitimacy in their eyes when someone from the right speaks out - whether it is Bolton or Pence or Chaney.

I don’t at all understand the instinct to criticize people for speaking out against Trump. Agreeing with Bolton and accepting that he is doing right by speaking out doesn’t mean you are defending everything Bolton did or stands for.

When someone is giving you a win, take it. This purity test only harms democrats.
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Who is listening to John Bolton that is still on team Trump? That’s like 2 people in the entire country max. He isn’t persuading anyone to be anti-Trump. I’d rather him go away from public life and never see or hear from him again.
 
dukeman92 said:
Nobody on the right will listen to warnings about Trump from anyone. We just spent an election cycle listening to warning after warning from people within his own party. Didn’t matter.
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Apparently, people who say they are independent and swing voters won't listen, either, because the other option was a black woman, and that is just too much for them to handle.
 
Paine said:
Didn’t say he was. Just don’t think anyone should be giving credence to him. A blind squirrel and all that.
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Yes, but you stated he isn’t worth listening to. In this particular case, he is. He was also right about the threat that Trump poses to the country. So the blind squirrel found a couple of nuts.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
Yes, but you stated he isn’t worth listening to. In this particular case, he is. He was also right about the threat that Trump poses to the country. So the blind squirrel found a couple of nuts.
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He’s not worth listening to in the sense that he’s not providing any original insight. A toddler could’ve told you about the threat Trump poses to the country. Same for Gorka being unqualified.

The stuff he says rings incredibly hollow based on the ideology he subscribes to.
 
A toddler wouldn't be believed. I don't care about or respect his opinion even though, in this case, we agree. However, it's an opinion worth hearing and there are people that will hear it from him who won't from us. It's not about insight, it's about getting the message out. Didn't we just see that this election?
 
finesse said:
A toddler wouldn't be believed. I don't care about or respect his opinion even though, in this case, we agree. However, it's an opinion worth hearing and there are people that will hear it from him who won't from us. It's not about insight, it's about getting the message out. Didn't we just see that this election?
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Again, who is listening to Bolton that is still on team Trump? Was this not the whole theory of Harris’ campaign? That the “normal Republicans” would turn against him by hearing other “normal Republicans” speaking out against Trump?

Anyone that gives a damn what Bolton has to say either voted for Harris or wrote in Ronald Reagan or something. We don’t need a Jesse Helms acolyte in our coalition.
 
There's as many people that didn't vote at all as voted for either candidate. Obviously nobody motivated them. We don't know what might. Nothing about this says we support Bolton, because I certainly don't, but it's not exactly time or even prudent to be running purity tests on favorable opinions. We need everything in our favor we can get.
 
finesse said:
There's as many people that didn't vote at all as voted for either candidate. Obviously nobody motivated them. We don't know what might. Nothing about this says we support Bolton, because I certainly don't, but it's not exactly time or even prudent to be running purity tests on favorable opinions. We need everything in our favor we can get.
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I don’t think the people that didn’t vote were just sitting out waiting to hear from neoconservatives. Again, isn’t that exactly what Harris did in the closing days of the campaign?

IMO, amplifying this kind of stuff has always exceptionalized Trump. It makes him seem like he’s not a normal Republican to voters or that the Republican Party is somehow distinct from Trump.

Bolton and his ilk are directly responsible for the conditions that allowed Trump to rise. They don’t get to escape blame now.
 
Paine said:
I don’t think the people that didn’t vote were just sitting out waiting to hear from neoconservatives. Again, isn’t that exactly what Harris did in the closing days of the campaign?

IMO, amplifying this kind of stuff has always exceptionalized Trump. It makes him seem like he’s not a normal Republican to voters or that the Republican Party is somehow distinct from Trump.

Bolton and his ilk are directly responsible for the conditions that allowed Trump to rise. They don’t get to escape blame now.
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Trump and Trumpism didn’t happen because John Bolton, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Condi Rice and others trumped up invading Iraq in 2003.

The MAGAts, including Trump, supported, overwhelmingly supported, invading Iraq in 2003 and trying to orchestrate nation-change (on the cheap) in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Saxby Chambliss didn’t beat Max Cleland in the 2002 US Senate race in Georgia because Saxby opposed invading Iraq.

John Kerry wasn’t “Swift-boated” in 2004 because he was proposing escalating the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
Zoo_View said:
Trump and Trumpism didn’t happen because John Bolton, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Condi Rice and others trumped up invading Iraq in 2003.

The MAGAts, including Trump, supported, overwhelmingly supported, invading Iraq in 2003 and trying to orchestrate nation-change (on the cheap) in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Saxby Chambliss didn’t beat Max Cleland in the 2002 US Senate race in Georgia because Saxby opposed invading Iraq.

John Kerry wasn’t “Swift-boated” in 2004 because he was proposing escalating the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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American imperialism has created the conditions for Trump to rise. That’s my point.
 
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