Trump47 First Week & Beyond Catch-All

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Regarding the firehose of EO's this week, it is becoming apparent to me that they are the brainchildren of Stephen Miller, perhaps even written or dictated by Stephen Miller himself, and simply signed by Trump. I don't think Trump really knows, or even really cares to know, what's in them. It was really clear that this is true by the way he answered questions about them to reporters. Every single one of these EO's are Miller's ideas that he has previously expressed.
 
CFordUNC said:
Says a whole heck of a lot about the strength, authenticity, and conviction of your supposed faith that you believe that 1. the words of Jesus Christ are an unnecessary "lecture", and 2. that the President of the United States is somehow above being "lectured" by the words of Jesus Christ.

Also, what exactly do you think Jesus Christ was, if not an "activist"?
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A prophet who preached his version/understanding of Judaism.

I've never read Jesus' words and got an activist vibe.
 
ZenMode said:
A prophet who preached his version/understanding of Judaism.

I've never read Jesus' words and got an activist vibe.
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Do what now?

Jesus's entire message was about justice, equality, and love of others. He was a political figure- hence, his political execution- who used creative acts of civil disobedience- such as flip the tables in the temple- to challenge the status quo and offer an alternative vision. He promoted peaceful disagreement disobedience. He publicly denounced the political and religious leaders of the day.

In what way was Jesus not an activist?
 
CFordUNC said:
Regarding the firehose of EO's this week, it is becoming apparent to me that they are the brainchildren of Stephen Miller, perhaps even written or dictated by Stephen Miller himself, and simply signed by Trump. I don't think Trump really knows, or even really cares to know, what's in them. It was really clear that this is true by the way he answered questions about them to reporters. Every single one of these EO's are Miller's ideas that he has previously expressed.
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I think Heritage, and Russ Vought in particular, has been working on them for years. Miller has been closely connected to that group, but this is all straight Project 2025.
 
lawtig02 said:
I think Heritage, and Russ Vought in particular, has been working on them for years. Miller has been closely connected to that group, but this is all straight Project 2025.
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Yep. Totally agree. I think they recognize that they essentially have an 18-month window to accomplish the "shock and awe" before the 2026 midterms. And not to put the cart before the horse, and not to diminish the big uphill climb that Dems will have to take to win, but I think that the Millers and Voughts of the administration recognize that their policies are wildly unpopular and that they could lead to loss of one or both chambers of Congress in November 2026.
 
ZenMode said:
A prophet who preached his version/understanding of Judaism.

I've never read Jesus' words and got an activist vibe.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. No wait, let me catch my breath...hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

You can honestly look deep down in yourself and say this? Angry Jesus in the temple, Jesus and the unclean, Jesus and the harlot? Jesus a "middle of the road" kind of guy?
 


“… let’s take a look at what he’s done — what’s new, what’s surprising, and what’s just noise. …”
 
CFordUNC said:
Yeah, I gotta think that even ol' Zenny outdid his own schtick this time. It was a good run.
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It really is the summation of the whole dissonance of Trump. I will write on a message board something I know is blatantly wrong, contort my soul and my mind to believe something I am so vested in, not admit the mouse trap has caught a mouse, even though a mouse is dead in the trap, eyes bulging....because...???...it's really important to believe the movie lot set of the world I am committed to?
 
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“…As we’ve described, Trump has pledged to use some antiquated laws to round up and deport noncitizens. These laws (such as the Insurrection Act) give vast power to presidents. And in fact, in his inaugural address, Trump referred to the Alien Enemies Act. That’s the remaining part of the notorious Alien and Sedition Acts — which Thomas Jefferson said reflected a “reign of witches” — and has only been used three times before, most recently to detain Japanese nationals during World War II.

But Trump’s orders go far beyond even these troubling legal bases. He orderedNORTHCOM, the U.S. military command that protects the United States, to develop a military campaign to “repel” the “invasion” resulting from “unlawful mass migration.” As my colleague Liza Goitein notes, the order doesn’t say anything about civil support or mention the Department of Homeland Security. Instead, it relies on the president’s commander-in-chief authority.

This seems to authorize more than help with law enforcement. It seems to authorize the military to go to war on American soil. Will the military, sworn to uphold the law and the Constitution, take the bait? …”
 
BoonetheAiredale said:
It really is the summation of the whole dissonance of Trump. I will write on a message board something I know is blatantly wrong, contort my soul and my mind to believe something I am so vested in, not admit the mouse trap has caught a mouse, even though a mouse is dead in the trap, eyes bulging....because...???...it's really important to believe the movie lot set of the world I am committed to?
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Yeah. Message boards and politics do weird things to some folks.
 
CFordUNC said:
Do what now?

Jesus's entire message was about justice, equality, and love of others. He was a political figure- hence, his political execution- who used creative acts of civil disobedience- such as flip the tables in the temple- to challenge the status quo and offer an alternative vision. He promoted peaceful disagreement disobedience. He publicly denounced the political and religious leaders of the day.

In what way was Jesus not an activist?
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I have no interest in getting into a deep religious discussion, because there is no definitive interpretation of the Bible, but Jesus was likely killed because of the belief that he referred to himself as "King of the Jews" and that he was preaching that he and the disciples would be rulers over the 12 Tribes of Israel when God came back, not because he was specifically a political figure of some kind.

He was viewed as a threat to the current rulers of the Roman empire.
 
ZenMode said:
I have no interest in getting into a deep religious discussion, because there is no definitive interpretation, but Jesus was likely killed because of the belief that he referred to himself as "King of the Jews" and that he was preaching that he and the disciples would be rulers over the 12 Tribes of Israel when God came back, not because he was specifically a political figure of some kind.
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You have no interest not because you don't want to get into a deep religious discussion but because you know you are far out of your element on this discussion. And I don't mean with me- you are likely far more intelligent than I am, as is most everyone else here. I mean that there are folks on this board who have studied this stuff as part of their life's work.

It's not really even debatable that Jesus Christ was an activist. It's clear in his words and his actions that he was. It's also clear that he was arrested, tried, and executed as a political prisoner- a ward of the Roman state- for being an activist.
 
ZenMode said:
I have no interest in getting into a deep religious discussion, because there is no definitive interpretation of the Bible, but Jesus was likely killed because of the belief that he referred to himself as "King of the Jews" and that he was preaching that he and the disciples would be rulers over the 12 Tribes of Israel when God came back, not because he was specifically a political figure of some kind.

He was viewed as a threat to the current rulers of the Roman empire.
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ZenMode said:
I have no interest in getting into a deep religious discussion, because there is no definitive interpretation, but Jesus was likely killed because of the belief that he referred to himself as "King of the Jews" and that he was preaching that he and the disciples would be rulers over the 12 Tribes of Israel when God came back, not because he was specifically a political figure of some kind.
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Have you actually ever read any of the Bible? Where did you get that twisted theology from? It bears no relationship to anything Jesus ever said.
 
CFordUNC said:
Regarding the firehose of EO's this week, it is becoming apparent to me that they are the brainchildren of Stephen Miller, perhaps even written or dictated by Stephen Miller himself, and simply signed by Trump. I don't think Trump really knows, or even really cares to know, what's in them. It was really clear that this is true by the way he answered questions about them to reporters. Every single one of these EO's are Miller's ideas that he has previously expressed.
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ICE being allowed to storm into schools to arrest children does seem like Stephen Miller viagara to me.
 
I'm about as flawed and as sinful of a Christian as they come. I don't pray enough, and I don't read the Bible enough. I don't have nearly enough faith in God. I don't always treat others with nearly as much Christ-like love as I should. So I am far from an expert on Christianity or Jesus Christ. But to say that Jesus Christ wasn't an activist is perhaps one of the most absurd arguments as I've ever seen. I truly hope it's schtick and not sincere.
 
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