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Some kind of separtion is my preference-but I am not a major contributorAs Trump’s first week wrap up, should we lock this one up and/or have folks start more focused threads going forward (one for DEI decisions, one for pardons, etc) or just make this a domestic policy catch-all?
Ram prefers the condensed fox news version.Drill down a bit ...
"... Nearly 19% of the federal workforce identified as Black and 10% identified as Hispanic compared to 13% and 19% of the U.S. labor force, respectively.
... While 40% of the federal workforce was comprised of individuals who identify as part of a racial or ethnic minority group, this number diminishes significantly at higher levels on the General Schedule scale. People of color make up much of the federal workforce in positions from the GS-2 to GS-6 level, these grade levels typically comprise lower and entry-level administrative positions. White employees make up much of the workforce above the GS-7 level, which consists of mid-level technical and first-level supervisory positions and top-level technical and supervisory positions.
Twenty-six percent of career Senior Executive Service members identified as a person of color in fiscal 2023, a small increase from 25% in the previous year. Of the federal workforce that was not on the GS scale, 37% identified as a person of color.
... The overall federal workforce was 55% male and 45% female, compared to 53% male and 47% female in the total U.S. labor force. ... Women made up the majority of the federal workforce in GS-3 to GS-9 positions, while men made up the majority of the workforce above the GS-10 level, the SES and positions not on the GS pay scale.
... At the end of fiscal 2023, 30% of federal employees were veterans compared to 5% of the total employed U.S. civilian labor force. In the same year, 25% of new federal hires were veterans. ..."
Also, 20% of the Federal workforce is in Washington D.C. (the rest spread across the country, though quite a lot are in the surrounding Virginia/Maryland area). But the 20% in D.C. creates upward engagement of Black employees due to the racial makeup of the District (and people of color are concentrated in the lower paying jobs).
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A Profile of the 2023 Federal Workforce
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Bullshit.Two sides of the same coin.
Well, you have to get diversity somehow, right?Bullshit.
Many DEI programs are about actually understanding cultures and differences in people. Has nothing to do with hiring or quotas.
Striving for diversity is, in and of itself, a laudable goal. Having diverse trains of thought, cultural backgrounds, and ideologies within any organization leads to more pragmatic approaches to nearly every problem.Well, you have to get diversity somehow, right?
Yea, it's called hiring qualified people and not worrying about their skin color or national origin.Well, you have to get diversity somehow, right?
That seems unlikely.Yea, it's called hiring qualified people and not worrying about their skin color or national origin.
Are you suggesting that non-whites are never qualified and cannot get jobs without quota programs? Seems like a pretty racist statement Zen, why do you feel that way?
What? Hiring qualified people? True, that's why we needed affirmative action to begin with. Old white men would not hire based on qualifications rather they hired other white people, primarily ones they already knew.That seems unlikely.
Five decades? Four?Just appalling and inexcusable. Part of the reason we have things like DEI and diversity initiatives is because of stories like this. So much minority history and accomplishments were just ignored until, in the last four or five decades or so, there were real efforts to bring both positive and negative events to light. Look at the efforts to finally reveal the truth about the 1898 Wilmington Insurrection in this state, which had been buried for generations. IMO, nearly all of these efforts to roll back DEI and diversity intiatives is mostly butthurt efforts by angry and frightened white conservatives about the steadily increasing diversity of our society as a whole. The lower the percentage of whites becomes in our society, the more determined they seem to become to downplay the growing diversity.
Yep. I have to admit, as someone who makes hiring decisions, I became cognizant of my own implicit biases. I would interview lots of qualified people, but my first inclination was to make offers to those who I could most relate to. Those were the folks I could see myself having a beer with, who shared a similar sense of humor and similar perspectives. Basically someone with many similar characteristics. It wasn’t a conscious choice, but more of a natural human instinct. Thankfully I caught myself, and my firm has greatly benefitted from bringing in people with very different backgrounds, perspectives, and interests who also happened to be just as qualified— if not more— than those to whom I could more easily relate. Unfortunately, many of those people have less of a shot when they seek jobs at places that make no effort to implement DEI initiatives, whether formal or informal.What? Hiring qualified people? True, that's why we needed affirmative action to begin with. Old white men would not hire based on qualifications rather they hired other white people, primarily ones they already knew.
Then you tell us why we needed affirmative action programs to begin with?