Trump47 First Week & Beyond Catch-All

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finesse said:
Why does that matter? They were still legal orders.
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It matters because there are two sides to the equation - the side giving the orders and the side receiving the orders. The side receiving has to trust that the side giving is considering the safety of the side receiving and is making sound decisions based on all available information.
 
korgguy1971 said:
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I know this is a cartoon but would like us not to use graphics that use suicidal ideation like this, especially with regularly used methods like firearms and hanging. I’ve remove several over the last several months (including one @Rock used] but you guys let me know if you think this is being too sensitive. We discuss a lot of potentially depressing topics — I tend to think we should pause to consider the suicide risk in our country in our discourse.
 
ZenMode said:
It matters because there are two sides to the equation - the side giving the orders and the side receiving the orders. The side receiving has to trust that the side giving is considering the safety of the side receiving and is making sound decisions based on all available information.
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No. They have to trust that the leaders are doing what is best for the nation. That's the oath they swore.

What kind of trust do you think soldiers will have in their comrades if their comrades decide that if they follow an order, their feelings may be hurt? That's what you are essentially supporting and good soldiers can't do that and can't be allowed to do that.
 
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nycfan said:
I know this is a cartoon but would like us not to use graphics that use suicidal ideation like this, especially with regularly used methods like firearms and hanging. I’ve remove several over the last several months (including one @Rock used] but you guys let me know if you think this is being too sensitive. We discuss a lot of potentially depressing topics — I tend to think we should pause to consider the suicide risk in our country in our discourse.
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I don't agree, but I understand what you mean. In the grand scheme it's neither a big deal nor a hill upon which I wish to die, so I'll gladly delete the post. No problem.
 
finesse said:
No. They have to trust that the leaders are doing what is best for the nation. That's the oath they swore.

What kind of trust do you think soldiers will have in their comrades if their comrades decide that if they follow an order, their feelings may be hurt? That's what you are essentially supporting and good soldiers can't and can't be allowed to do that.
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What's best for the nation, among other things, is that our military trust their leadership to consider safety and made good decisions. That's why The decision to send troops into battle is a big one. Leadership knows that husbands, wives, sons and daughters lives will be lost.

Also, we aren't talking about a refusing to execute a wartime order during battle.
 
ZenMode said:
What's best for the nation, among other things, is that our military trust their leadership to consider safety and made good decisions. That's why The decision to send troops into battle is a big one. Leadership knows that husbands, wives, sons and daughters lives will be lost.

Also, we aren't talking about a refusing to execute a wartime order during battle.
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You either don't get it or refuse to get it. Either way, you couldn't be more mistaken. If somebody else wants to play with this broken toy, have at it.
 
ChileG said:
I think what was important to them was showing their MAGA bona fides
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Putting aside the fact that military personnel were among the lowest risk for serious covid issues, you don't think there was any reason for concern about the vaccine? Other drug approvals take a decade or more, which allows for some view into possible long-term side effects. That wasn't the case with the Covid vaccine. There's also the reality that the mRNA delivery system had never been used in anything remotely close to the scale as it was being used for the Covid vaccine.

I ask that as someone who got the vaccine and one booster.
 
ZenMode said:
Putting aside the fact that military personnel were among the lowest risk for serious covid issues, you don't think there was any reason for concern about the vaccine? Other drug approvals take a decade or more, which allows for some view into possible long-term side effects. That wasn't the case with the Covid vaccine. There's also the reality that the mRNA delivery system had never been used in anything remotely close to the scale as it was being used for the Covid vaccine.

I ask that as someone who got the vaccine and one booster.
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There's precedent. It pretty much had to be as safe and well researched as this.


Yes, George Washington ordered the inoculation of all Continental Army soldiers in 1777 to prevent the spread of smallpox. This was a controversial decision, but many historians believe it was a key factor in the colonists' victory in the Revolutionary War.

Why did Washington order inoculations?
  • Smallpox was a major threat to the Continental Army, killing an estimated 90% of deaths.

  • The disease was highly contagious and debilitating, and it could tip the balance of power against the American forces.

  • Washington was concerned that the British might attack the army while it was weakened by the disease.

How did the inoculations take place?
  • The procedure used was called variolation, which involved inserting a blade from a smallpox victim's pustule under the skin of a healthy person.

  • Inoculations began on January 6, 1777 for troops passing through Philadelphia and Morristown, New Jersey.

  • Army physicians also inoculated veteran soldiers who had not yet been exposed.
 
ZenMode said:
Putting aside the fact that military personnel were among the lowest risk for serious covid issues, you don't think there was any reason for concern about the vaccine? Other drug approvals take a decade or more, which allows for some view into possible long-term side effects. That wasn't the case with the Covid vaccine. There's also the reality that the mRNA delivery system had never been used in anything remotely close to the scale as it was being used for the Covid vaccine.

I ask that as someone who got the vaccine and one booster.
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Nope, and time has shown that there was no reason for concern about the vaccine. Of course there are side effects with any vaccine or any medical treatment, but the cost-benefit analysis of getting the COVID vaccines into as many arms as possible was sound and saved many, many lives. Military COVID deaths essentially went to zero after the mandate was implemented.
 
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