Trump47 First Week & Beyond Catch-All

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nycfan said:
As Trump’s first week wrap up, should we lock this one up and/or have folks start more focused threads going forward (one for DEI decisions, one for pardons, etc) or just make this a domestic policy catch-all?
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Some kind of separtion is my preference-but I am not a major contributor
 
nycfan said:
Drill down a bit ...

"... Nearly 19% of the federal workforce identified as Black and 10% identified as Hispanic compared to 13% and 19% of the U.S. labor force, respectively.

... While 40% of the federal workforce was comprised of individuals who identify as part of a racial or ethnic minority group, this number diminishes significantly at higher levels on the General Schedule scale. People of color make up much of the federal workforce in positions from the GS-2 to GS-6 level, these grade levels typically comprise lower and entry-level administrative positions. White employees make up much of the workforce above the GS-7 level, which consists of mid-level technical and first-level supervisory positions and top-level technical and supervisory positions.

Twenty-six percent of career Senior Executive Service members identified as a person of color in fiscal 2023, a small increase from 25% in the previous year. Of the federal workforce that was not on the GS scale, 37% identified as a person of color.

... The overall federal workforce was 55% male and 45% female, compared to 53% male and 47% female in the total U.S. labor force. ... Women made up the majority of the federal workforce in GS-3 to GS-9 positions, while men made up the majority of the workforce above the GS-10 level, the SES and positions not on the GS pay scale.

... At the end of fiscal 2023, 30% of federal employees were veterans compared to 5% of the total employed U.S. civilian labor force. In the same year, 25% of new federal hires were veterans. ..."

Also, 20% of the Federal workforce is in Washington D.C. (the rest spread across the country, though quite a lot are in the surrounding Virginia/Maryland area). But the 20% in D.C. creates upward engagement of Black employees due to the racial makeup of the District (and people of color are concentrated in the lower paying jobs).

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A Profile of the 2023 Federal Workforce

A nonprofit, nonpartisan organization working towards effective government for the American people.
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Ram prefers the condensed fox news version.
 
1moretimeagain said:
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Just appalling and inexcusable. Part of the reason we have things like DEI and diversity initiatives is because of stories like this. So much minority history and accomplishments were just ignored until, in the last four or five decades or so, there were real efforts to bring both positive and negative events to light. Look at the efforts to finally reveal the truth about the 1898 Wilmington Insurrection in this state, which had been buried for generations. IMO, nearly all of these efforts to roll back DEI and diversity intiatives is mostly butthurt efforts by angry and frightened white conservatives about the steadily increasing diversity of our society as a whole. The lower the percentage of whites becomes in our society, the more determined they seem to become to downplay the growing diversity.
 
ZenMode said:
Well, you have to get diversity somehow, right?
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Yea, it's called hiring qualified people and not worrying about their skin color or national origin.

Are you suggesting that non-whites are never qualified and cannot get jobs without quota programs? Seems like a pretty racist statement Zen, why do you feel that way?
 
UNCatTech said:
Yea, it's called hiring qualified people and not worrying about their skin color or national origin.

Are you suggesting that non-whites are never qualified and cannot get jobs without quota programs? Seems like a pretty racist statement Zen, why do you feel that way?
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That seems unlikely.
 
ZenMode said:
That seems unlikely.
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What? Hiring qualified people? True, that's why we needed affirmative action to begin with. Old white men would not hire based on qualifications rather they hired other white people, primarily ones they already knew.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Just appalling and inexcusable. Part of the reason we have things like DEI and diversity initiatives is because of stories like this. So much minority history and accomplishments were just ignored until, in the last four or five decades or so, there were real efforts to bring both positive and negative events to light. Look at the efforts to finally reveal the truth about the 1898 Wilmington Insurrection in this state, which had been buried for generations. IMO, nearly all of these efforts to roll back DEI and diversity intiatives is mostly butthurt efforts by angry and frightened white conservatives about the steadily increasing diversity of our society as a whole. The lower the percentage of whites becomes in our society, the more determined they seem to become to downplay the growing diversity.
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Five decades? Four?

I grew up in Chapel Hill. 1st-12th in the Chapel Hill/Carrboro Schools (‘68/‘69 thru ‘79/‘80). In ‘67-‘68 we didn’t have public kindergarten because…..well…..that meant n-word children would mix with white kids at a young age AND tax dollars would be spent on colored children. I attended a private kindergarten - it was all-white. In 1967, Chapel Hill was a SOUTHERN town.

The Wilmington Coup and Massacre in 1898 was NEVER mentioned in K-12. I was an adult before learning of the coup.

The Chapel Hill Nine sit-in protest at the Colonial Drug Store on West Franklin Street in 1960? Never mentioned in my 12 years in the Chapel Hill/Carrboro Schools.
 
UNCatTech said:
What? Hiring qualified people? True, that's why we needed affirmative action to begin with. Old white men would not hire based on qualifications rather they hired other white people, primarily ones they already knew.
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Suspicious Kenan Thompson GIF by Saturday Night Live
 
UNCatTech said:
What? Hiring qualified people? True, that's why we needed affirmative action to begin with. Old white men would not hire based on qualifications rather they hired other white people, primarily ones they already knew.
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Yep. I have to admit, as someone who makes hiring decisions, I became cognizant of my own implicit biases. I would interview lots of qualified people, but my first inclination was to make offers to those who I could most relate to. Those were the folks I could see myself having a beer with, who shared a similar sense of humor and similar perspectives. Basically someone with many similar characteristics. It wasn’t a conscious choice, but more of a natural human instinct. Thankfully I caught myself, and my firm has greatly benefitted from bringing in people with very different backgrounds, perspectives, and interests who also happened to be just as qualified— if not more— than those to whom I could more easily relate. Unfortunately, many of those people have less of a shot when they seek jobs at places that make no effort to implement DEI initiatives, whether formal or informal.
 
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ZenMode said:
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Then you tell us why we needed affirmative action programs to begin with?

Why do we have a Rooney rule in football?

It didn't start because of non white applicants being treated fairly so why did it start?

And, again, DEI isn't the same as affirmative action or quotas. DEI is about learning and understanding on a cultural human level, not simple setting and meeting quotas.
 
As someone who has hired, or been involved with hiring probably hundreds of people over the years, my first instinct was always to lean toward people I was most comfortable with. And that turns out to be people who “think like me” when frequently we needed people to bring a different perspective. Sometimes that prodding came from HR or other department employees involved in the hiring process, and it led to greater diversity and strengthened our company.
 
My company is very diverse.

My team has people from 8 different countries.

Recently helped interview for a new position where 8 people were hired. The group is very diverse. An Asian woman has risen to the top of that group as the best overall performer. I'm proud that I focused on qualifications and technical skill in the interview. I left the other questions to the other interviewers.
 
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