Trump47 Foreign Policy Catch-All | Vance in Munich

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Healing said:
I think they're likely going a step further, and planning for a world order with the US as an overt enemy. That's not to say it'll happen, but the US can't be looked at as a good actor anymore, and the contingencies are undoubtedly afoot.
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Gave the thumbs down. Not because I disagree with you, but because this is where we're at.
 
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Hegseth's Ukraine bombshell and Trump's Putin call leave NATO reeling​



“… State of play: Hegseth, who is attending his first meeting of NATO's defense ministers, made clear Wednesday that the following chips will now be "off the table" in peace talks, as a senior U.S. defense official stressed to Axios.

  1. NATO membership for Ukraine — a central source of tension with Russia promised by the alliance in 2008 — is not a "realistic outcome of a negotiated settlement," Hegseth said.
  2. U.S. troops will not be deployed to Ukraine to enforce postwar security guarantees.
  3. Any European peacekeepers sent to Ukraine should be deployed as part of a "non-NATO mission," meaning Article 5 — the alliance's bedrock principle of collective defense — should not protect them.
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  • In the Oval Office on Wednesday, Trump demurred when asked whether Ukraine was "an equal member" of the peace process: "I think they have to make peace," he said after a pause. "That was not a good war to go into."
Friction point: Most NATO allies vehemently reject the idea that Ukraine chose war with Russia, and have argued for years that peace talks should happen at a time and place of Ukraine's choosing.

… The intrigue: The European Union's top diplomat Kaja Kallas, who is attending Thursday's meetings along with Ukrainian defense minister Rustem Umerov, said the EU would continue supporting Ukraine if Kyiv refused to accept Trump's conditions….”
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NATO really needs to cut the US loose. They have the military strength to do it.

If we won’t step up to defend NATO that will give others an excuse to not do so. They need an alliance of reliable partners.

And as others have pointed out, we are an intelligence threat to NATO.
 
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ChapelHillSooner said:
NATO really needs to cut the US loose. They have the military strength to do it.

If we won’t step up to defend NATO that will give others an excuse to not do so. They need an alliance of reliable partners.

And as others have pointed out, we are an intelligence threat to NATO.
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NATO nations are not going to share intelligence with US, making the US even more susceptible to a terrorist attack.
 
HandsonFire said:
Clear as day he is compromised. Pubs elected a traitor twice. And now they stand there like a toddler with their fingers in their ears screaming I can’t hear you when you say anything negative about dear leader. We are fucked they will never change, damn sure never compromise..
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Their girl Tulsi is selling our secrets to Putin and Chyna now.

...while bizarrely Trump is hurtling toward another M.E. conflict.

...then I remembered Trump is an orange, crazy, senile Manchurian Candidate.
 
heelinhell said:
China understands that soft power will enhance its quest to supplant the USA as the premier global superpower.

Trump and his minions have no clue.
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Trump is a nihilist. He doesn't care what shape the US is in, and even if it is a democracy (democratic republic) when he's gone.
 




“5/ Yes, there are some mixed messages from Hegseth, Vance, Trump and GOP senators. But the overall change in direction is easily discernible - and of course only Trump’s voice and decisions truly matter. Did Americans vote for this change to this degree? I don’t know. But the shift will affect the world and Americans’ lives in measurable ways for many years to come.”
 

Vance tells Europe it needs to take lead on Ukraine’s future security​

The vice president said the NATO alliance needed to step up for Ukraine as the United States faces more challenges in East Asia.


“… Ahead of a Friday morning meeting with NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, Vance said Washington would remain Europe’s ally, but that the continent needed to do more to improve its own military capabilities as the Trump administration reorients its attention toward dealing with China.

“NATO is a very important military alliance, of course, that we’re the most significant part of,” Vance said alongside Rutte. “But we want to make sure that NATO is actually built for the future, and we think a big part of that is ensuring that NATO does a little bit more burden-sharing in Europe, so the United States can focus on some of our challenges in East Asia.”

… Trump’s approach to the talks has been an energy boost to Putin, who has long sought to sit down with a U.S. leader to remake the post-Cold War security architecture and now appears to have a chance to do so, consigning Europe to a back-seat role in the conversation. Generations of U.S. leaders before Trump have said that Russia has neither the power nor the right to veto how Europe protects itself. Even Trump’s decision to speak to Putin before consulting with Zelensky was a victory for the Kremlin. …”
 
nycfan said:

Vance tells Europe it needs to take lead on Ukraine’s future security​

The vice president said the NATO alliance needed to step up for Ukraine as the United States faces more challenges in East Asia.


“… Ahead of a Friday morning meeting with NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, Vance said Washington would remain Europe’s ally, but that the continent needed to do more to improve its own military capabilities as the Trump administration reorients its attention toward dealing with China.

“NATO is a very important military alliance, of course, that we’re the most significant part of,” Vance said alongside Rutte. “But we want to make sure that NATO is actually built for the future, and we think a big part of that is ensuring that NATO does a little bit more burden-sharing in Europe, so the United States can focus on some of our challenges in East Asia.”

… Trump’s approach to the talks has been an energy boost to Putin, who has long sought to sit down with a U.S. leader to remake the post-Cold War security architecture and now appears to have a chance to do so, consigning Europe to a back-seat role in the conversation. Generations of U.S. leaders before Trump have said that Russia has neither the power nor the right to veto how Europe protects itself. Even Trump’s decision to speak to Putin before consulting with Zelensky was a victory for the Kremlin. …”
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A lot of mixed messaging from the Administration in Europe and about Russia and Ukraine.

Vance Wields Threat of Sanctions, Military Action to Push Putin Into Ukraine Deal​

In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, the vice president says Ukraine must have ‘sovereign independence’​


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