Trump47 Foreign Policy Catch-All | Vance in Munich

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I don't think Trump trying to end the Ukraine/Russia war is about fear. Biden and the rest of the world have had plenty of time to figure out an end to the war. What's wrong with letting Trump try?

Depending on the outcome, it may not be bad, right?
He’s cutting out our European allies and Ukraine from the peace negotiations. What could possibly go wrong?
 
I don't think Trump trying to end the Ukraine/Russia war is about fear. Biden and the rest of the world have had plenty of time to figure out an end to the war. What's wrong with letting Trump try?

Depending on the outcome, it may not be bad, right?
Bad for whom? Trump and Putin, no. Ukraine and Europe (outside of Belarus and maybe Hungary and Slovakia), yes.
 
Kind of makes you wonder if that's why the war wasn't ended under Biden, no? Just putting 2 and 2 together here...
Could be, but it seems very unlikely that Putin is going to agree to end the war without being able to say he 'won' something. Doing so would be the end of his Presidency.
 
Biden and the rest of the world have had plenty of time to figure out an end to the war. What's wrong with letting Trump try?
The Pubs undermined Ukraine. That's why the war didn't end before now. If Congress hadn't sat on its ass for six months complaining about "America First" and sent Ukraine the equipment Ukraine was calling for, then Ukraine would be in much better shape. We might even imagine that Russia would be suing for peace.

But the Pubs did their thing and, as usual, the world suffers from it.
 
That's a different topic. You mentioned that it's apparently an issue for Israel to have these bombs from the US because it allows Israel to wipe Gaza/Palestine off the planet. Do you not think Israel had the fire power to do that before these bombs were delivered?
No, it's the same damn topic. I can't tell if you are really this stupid or if you just enjoy pretending like you are this stupid.

Biden withheld the bombs in order to specifically demonstrate our position on Israel adopting a hyper-aggressive offensive stance against Palestine that involves mass carnage and destruction.
 
No, it's the same damn topic. I can't tell if you are really this stupid or if you just enjoy pretending like you are this stupid.

Biden withheld the bombs in order to specifically demonstrate our position on Israel adopting a hyper-aggressive offensive stance against Palestine that involves mass carnage and destruction.
Again, do you really think Israel, if they were inclined to do so, didn't ALREADY have the means of wiping Palestine and Palestinians off the face of the Earth?
 
Again, do you really think Israel, if they were inclined to do so, didn't ALREADY have the means of wiping Palestine and Palestinians off the face of the Earth?
You have no idea what they can and can't do. Here we go with your usual argumentative strategy:

1. Of course Israel can do that. Duh. Do you really think differently?
2. No, I don't have any evidence for that. Where's your evidence that they can't.
3. No, I don't have any relevant experience or knowledge.
4. Of course Israel can do that. You haven't proven me wrong beyond the shadow of a doubt. Thus I remain correct.
 

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But that support now risks becoming a liability as Canada confronts a once unimaginable threat: the president of the United States, Canada’s closest ally, repeatedly questioning Canada’s viability as a nation, threatening to annex it through economic force and denigrating its prime minister as a “governor.”

As patriotic feelings have surged in Canada, Mr. Poilievre’s lead has narrowed significantly in several polls. Until a month ago, Mr. Poilievre, 45, appeared to be a shoo-in to become Canada’s next leader after having built a double-digit lead in the polls by channeling national frustration and anger at the deeply unpopular prime minister, Justin Trudeau.

Mr. Trudeau is expected to step down next month as prime minister after his Liberal Party selects a successor, who will automatically become prime minister. A general election is then likely to be held a couple of months later.

“For Poilievre, the biggest challenge is that for the last two years the villain in his story was Justin Trudeau,” said David Coletto, the founder of Abacus Data, a polling firm. “But that villain is now leaving, and there’s a new, bigger, badder villain that is coming from outside the country — and that’s Donald Trump.”

“What Canadians are now trying to figure out is who’s the hero in that story, who’s going to save them and protect them against that threat,” Mr. Coletto added. “And the conclusion that more people are going to choose Pierre Poilievre is now up in the air.”
 
You have no idea what they can and can't do. Here we go with your usual argumentative strategy:

1. Of course Israel can do that. Duh. Do you really think differently?
2. No, I don't have any evidence for that. Where's your evidence that they can't.
3. No, I don't have any relevant experience or knowledge.
4. Of course Israel can do that. You haven't proven me wrong beyond the shadow of a doubt. Thus I remain correct.
Israel, depending on where you look, has around the 15-17th most powerful military in the world, out of about 150 countries. Gaza/Palestine has fans bolted on to giant kites.

Stop kidding yourself.
 
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Isreal, depending on where you look, has around the 15-17th most powerful military in the world, out of about 150 countries. Gaza/Palestine has fans bolted on to giant kites.

Stop kidding yourself.
I'm not kidding myself about anything. I have no idea what Israel can or can't do. I'm not a military expert. In fact, I know almost nothing about anything relevant to making that determination. Hence, I don't pretend as though I have any knowledge.
 

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But that support now risks becoming a liability as Canada confronts a once unimaginable threat: the president of the United States, Canada’s closest ally, repeatedly questioning Canada’s viability as a nation, threatening to annex it through economic force and denigrating its prime minister as a “governor.”

As patriotic feelings have surged in Canada, Mr. Poilievre’s lead has narrowed significantly in several polls. Until a month ago, Mr. Poilievre, 45, appeared to be a shoo-in to become Canada’s next leader after having built a double-digit lead in the polls by channeling national frustration and anger at the deeply unpopular prime minister, Justin Trudeau.

Mr. Trudeau is expected to step down next month as prime minister after his Liberal Party selects a successor, who will automatically become prime minister. A general election is then likely to be held a couple of months later.

“For Poilievre, the biggest challenge is that for the last two years the villain in his story was Justin Trudeau,” said David Coletto, the founder of Abacus Data, a polling firm. “But that villain is now leaving, and there’s a new, bigger, badder villain that is coming from outside the country — and that’s Donald Trump.”

“What Canadians are now trying to figure out is who’s the hero in that story, who’s going to save them and protect them against that threat,” Mr. Coletto added. “And the conclusion that more people are going to choose Pierre Poilievre is now up in the air.”
Trump is living in the Gulf of Dementia.
 
I agree. Israel is more than sufficiently capable, so why do we need to provide these bombs?

I have no idea, but that's a secondary topic.

The claim is that Israel plans to "wipe Palestine off the map" and that is the intent/plan behind being given bombs.

On multiple levels, that makes no sense, so there's no reason to believe it's going to happen.
 
Europe beginning to view USA as an adversary:(

 
What's the basis for this claim? Compare Kamala's preparation in foreign policy to the following presidents prior to them taking office:

Trump
Obama
GWB
Clinton

A couple of them did pretty well on foreign policy. Bush 41 had extensive foreign policy experience. I can't remember whether Reagan did or not.

All four of those had very skimpy foreign policy credentials as well coming into the job. And you could also argue that each one of those had their biggest mistakes as Presidents on that side of the ball (Clinton-Balkans/Somalia, GWB-Iraq, Obama-Arab Spring, Trump-World).
 
Europe beginning to view USA as an adversary:(

I don’t think Vance hoped to earn respect in the international community at all. He knew exactly what he was doing and it was on target.
 
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