Trump47 Foreign Policy Catch-All | Vance in Munich

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Callatoroy said:
I’m saying world leaders are “respected or feared” such that you don’t have 2 allies invaded by enemies unless they don’t respect and fear that leadership and sense weakness. I don’t think the Biden / Harris team projected strength, do you? I also think China’s role as a world leader and influencer grew while ours shrunk.
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Well, you’re wrong. You should rethink everything you believe.
 


This Administration is pro-autocrat generally and pro-Russia specifically. The VP just compared Russian interference in European elections to an autistic teen girl “scolding” people and blamed Europe for fighting, rather than listening to, far right propaganda.

I think the stunt to make an absurdist offer to Zelensky to turn over half of Ukraines rare earth minerals was a setup for a deal that is already being cut between the Trump administration and the Putin regime — Russia currently controls most of the Ukrainian territory with rare earth deposits. I think the deal being cut will be Russia keeps that territory if it divvies up those rare earth spoils with the USA.
 
nycfan said:
I think the stunt to make an absurdist offer to Zelensky to turn over half of Ukraines rare earth minerals was a setup for a deal that is already being cut between the Trump administration and the Putin regime — Russia currently controls most of the Ukrainian territory with rare earth deposits. I think the deal being cut will be Russia keeps that territory if it divvies up those rare earth spoils with the USA.
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I think the pressure to get Zelensky to sign an agreement for mineral rights on the spot was to have a verifiable starting point for negotiations to this effect. If Trump can say “Zelensky agreed to give us half” it’s easier to get Putin to acquiesce to a similar split. Of course, that would be a phenomenally bad deal (very own brand with Trump) with Russian occupation of the territory and no US forces anywhere nearby. What US company would invest in mining infrastructure in Putin-controlled land?
 
Milk and Cookies said:
Consumption growth that outpaced peers (was worst among peers under Trump 1.0)
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Strong labor force participation (and big relative improvement from Trump 1.0)
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Impressive relative inflation reduction (after Trump 1.0 had us leading the pack by the end of his term)
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Outstanding attraction of capital investment
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Hey M&C...can you ID the source of these graphs? I would like to share them.
 
Not only are we again a laughing stock under Trump, but we’re also bordering on being a threat to global stability. What a mess.

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European leaders gather for an emergency meeting over fear Trump has isolated age-old allies

French President Emmanuel Macron has called leaders from key European Union nations and the United Kingdom for an emergency meeting Monday.
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Note to the Callas who will undoubtedly try to prop this up that “being feared” is a position of strength: There’s a stark difference between being feared “as a leader” vs being feared as a loose cannon and regarded as a liability. We have clearly become the latter.
 
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WaynetheDrain said:
So Joe Biden withheld giving Israel bombs that could blow Palestine off the map, but Trump doesn't hesitate to send them.

Way to think it through, Dearborn. Hope your symbolic abstinence was worth it.
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You don't think Israel, if it wanted to, couldn't have wiped Gaza/Palestine off the map by now?
 
BlueSteel said:
Not only are we again a laughing stock under Trump, but we’re also bordering on being a threat to global stability. What a mess.

apnews.com

European leaders gather for an emergency meeting over fear Trump has isolated age-old allies

French President Emmanuel Macron has called leaders from key European Union nations and the United Kingdom for an emergency meeting Monday.
apnews.com apnews.com

Note to the Callas who will undoubtedly try to prop this up that “being feared” is a position of strength: There’s a stark difference between being feared “as a leader” vs being feared as a loose cannon and regarded as a liability. We have clearly become the latter.
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I don't think Trump trying to end the Ukraine/Russia war is about fear. Biden and the rest of the world have had plenty of time to figure out an end to the war. What's wrong with letting Trump try?

Depending on the outcome, it may not be bad, right?
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think Trump trying to end the Ukraine/Russia war is about fear. Biden and the rest of the world have had plenty of time to figure out an end to the war. What's wrong with letting Trump try?

Depending on the outcome, it may not be bad, right?
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Giving Russia what they want is a bad outcome. Bad for Ukraine. Bad for Europe. Bad for NATO. Bad for the US.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think Trump trying to end the Ukraine/Russia war is about fear. Biden and the rest of the world have had plenty of time to figure out an end to the war. What's wrong with letting Trump try?

Depending on the outcome, it may not be bad, right?
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Grow the fuck up.

There is only one outcome for letting Trump “try.” Giving Russia Ukraine. That’s it.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
No I don’t, because the previous administration wouldn’t have allowed it to happen. This current administration clearly welcomes it.
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That's a different topic. You mentioned that it's apparently an issue for Israel to have these bombs from the US because it allows Israel to wipe Gaza/Palestine off the planet. Do you not think Israel had the fire power to do that before these bombs were delivered?
 
ZenMode said:
That's a different topic. You mentioned that it's apparently an issue for Israel to have these bombs from the US because it allows Israel to wipe Gaza/Palestine off the planet. Do you not think Israel had the fire power to do that before these bombs were delivered?
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I guess you didn't read the tacit assent on the packing list.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think Trump trying to end the Ukraine/Russia war is about fear. Biden and the rest of the world have had plenty of time to figure out an end to the war. What's wrong with letting Trump try?

Depending on the outcome, it may not be bad, right?
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Pretty sure most would agree that conceding a soverign nation/ally to an aggressor/enemy isn't an acceptable resolution to this, but I guess you're cool with that—for the record?
 
BlueSteel said:
Pretty sure most would agree that conceding a soverign nation/ally to an aggressor/enemy isn't an acceptable resolution to this, but I guess you're cool with that—for the record?
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I've heard more than one report that the Biden admin felt like they'd have to concede some portion of Ukraine to Putin to end the war.
 
ZenMode said:
I've heard more than one report that the Biden admin felt like they'd have to concede some portion of Ukraine to Putin to end the war.
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Kind of makes you wonder if that's why the war wasn't ended under Biden, no? Just putting 2 and 2 together here...
 
BlueSteel said:
Kind of makes you wonder if that's why the war wasn't ended under Biden, no? Just putting 2 and 2 together here...
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I assume that it was better than publicly saying that we were better off the longer they fought as long as the Russians didn't actually win. The Ukraine winning or the war just grinding on was the best return on foreign military aid since Lend Lease.
 
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