U.S. Budget & OBBB | OCT 1 - Gov’t Shutdown Begins

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lol ... everyone knows this is the pubs doing this shit. Even if they can/won't admit it. Hell even my fellow MAGA government employees have agreed the pubs are the cause of us being excepted - so working for free.

This will end when the services important to MAGA constituents are no longer available or whenever the ATC decided to take mass sick leave for several days.
 
HandsonFire said:
I have a friend that really hates the ACA. I believe him but he swears his rates doubled after this passed. Self employed family of 4. Less than 100k a year in pay on paper. Coverage went from 1000 a month to 2000. One of the only people I know who says it made their life worse.

I used to have a union plan with yearly and lifetime caps on coverage. ACA wiped that out and turned our plan into a Cadillac plan. I didn’t really know anyone with a better plan.
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Your friend should not be paying anywhere near that much through the marketplace. Either he is lying to you or he's taken ridiculous advice.
 
Ddseddse said:
No.

The cheap plan would not have paid if you got cancer or some other long term major illness. You were counting on getting health care without you or your insurance having to actually pay for it if that eventuality came up.

Listen, if you want socialized medicine, vote for politicians who will give us all socialized medicine, otherwise you need to pay your fair share (but at least you get a subsidy, you should be happy for that).
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I'm having a pretty shitty night emotionally so I'm gonna just believe I'm seeing everything in a pessimistic fog instead of thinking you're trying to be a super douche with your response.

Have a good evening
 
bridgetender said:
Your friend should not be paying anywhere near that much through the marketplace. Either he is lying to you or he's taken ridiculous advice.
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I don’t think he’s lying (I’ve known him for 30 years and he’s pretty trustworthy). They have had a lot of health problems, no idea if that factors in. I have asked him for specifics and I never seem to get any other than the policy doubled 1k to 2k. He’s kept up the anger too, he’s still pissed about it.
 
NOVAHEEL13 said:
I was on an ACA plan bc I was a self employed independent contractor from the first year until last year. I was on the same (or a similar plan) for years which was a mid-tier plan and it nearly tripped in cost even with a subsidy for the years I needed it.

I would think that despite being on a super cheap plan before, with the cost of even the cheapest ACA plan ridiculously expensive even with a modest subsidy,I can see why people would be irritated paying a shitton for it wishing they had their old insurance.

That all said, we missed our chance to roll healthcare insurance into a single payer Medicaid for all system. I doubt that shit will ever happen anytime soon despite it being the best option for everyone
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I don't want to accuse you of lying, but I am also having trouble making sense of this claim. It's true that community rating means that health insurance went up in prices for certain demos (young white men, especially), but it didn't triple. So, some possibilities:

1. Maybe you mean it tripled in cost over the time you were on it? That is, it went from X in 2013 to 3X in 2025? That's not how I interpret your sentence, nor the other poster, but maybe that's what you meant and you just misspoke.

2. Maybe you don't remember the details of that old plan, or you didn't fully understand them. It was a long time ago; memories get fuzzy.

I doubt very much that your health insurance from good plan to good plan tripled with ACA implementation. That's just impossible.
 
HandsonFire said:
I don’t think he’s lying (I’ve known him for 30 years and he’s pretty trustworthy). They have had a lot of health problems, no idea if that factors in. I have asked him for specifics and I never seem to get any other than the policy doubled 1k to 2k. He’s kept up the anger too, he’s still pissed about it.
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Did he switch jobs? If he went from a job where employer subsidized premiums to an ACA plan, then maybe. But that just means he took a pay cut (or less of a raise than he thought).
 
NOVAHEEL13 said:
I'm having a pretty shitty night emotionally so I'm gonna just believe I'm seeing everything in a pessimistic fog instead of thinking you're trying to be a super douche with your response.

Have a good evening
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Gah! So sorry! I deleted but wasn’t fast enough!

Was multi tasking and helping with homework and totally misread your OP. When I reread it, I realized how I misread your post and deleted my post as quick as I could and was hoping no one had noticed. 🙂

You’re all good. That was all on me!
 
Ddseddse said:
Gah! So sorry! I deleted but wasn’t fast enough!

Was multi tasking and helping with homework and totally misread your OP. When I reread it, I realized how I misread your post and deleted my post as quick as I could and was hoping no one had noticed. 🙂

You’re all good. That was all on me!
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explain it to me, then, because I read it the same way as you did, I think.
 
superrific said:
I don't want to accuse you of lying, but I am also having trouble making sense of this claim. It's true that community rating means that health insurance went up in prices for certain demos (young white men, especially), but it didn't triple. So, some possibilities:

1. Maybe you mean it tripled in cost over the time you were on it? That is, it went from X in 2013 to 3X in 2025? That's not how I interpret your sentence, nor the other poster, but maybe that's what you meant and you just misspoke.

2. Maybe you don't remember the details of that old plan, or you didn't fully understand them. It was a long time ago; memories get fuzzy.

I doubt very much that your health insurance from good plan to good plan tripled with ACA implementation. That's just impossible.
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Super, as I said above I'm having a shitty night so if I'm a bit more abrasive than usual... and I'm a bit drunk so apologies in advance

Yes, from year 1 to 2 years ago the amount without the subsidies nearly tripled. I took the subsidies-well 1/2 the amount I could bc I didn't think it was right considering I could pay for my premiums but it would've been harder since I was a single dad with full custody of 3 and 6 yr old boys.

I did understand my old plan and still do. My LLM is in Health Law and Policy despite me being a professional poker player for 13 years before becoming a DOD employee, I do actually still have my law license and understand the health regulations quite well.

ETA- dammit...that last paragraph was super dickish... I'm leaving it but want everyone to know I didn't intend for it to come out as such.
 
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superrific said:
explain it to me, then, because I read it the same way as you did, I think.
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I was conflating HansonFire’s post with Nova’s friend.

I think my broader point stands, but was 100% misdirected at Nova, who is (or appears to me to be) an ally, and if I had better reading comprehension tonight, I would have known that. His last sentence is basically saying he’s all for single payer Medicare for all.
 
Ddseddse said:
Gah! So sorry! I deleted but wasn’t fast enough!

Was multi tasking and helping with homework and totally misread your OP. When I reread it, I realized how I misread your post and deleted my post as quick as I could and was hoping no one had noticed. 🙂

You’re all good. That was all on me!
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We're good man, we've been on the same boards for 20+ years. Like I said, I'm probably reading everything wrong anyway. Might need to put the keyboard down 😂

Cheers Dd!
 
NOVAHEEL13 said:
Super, as I said above I'm having a shitty night so if I'm a bit more abrasive than usual... and I'm a bit drunk so apologies in advance

Yes, from year 1 to 2 years ago the amount without the subsidies nearly tripled. I took the subsidies-well 1/2 the amount I could bc I didn't think it was right considering I could pay for my premiums but it would've been harder since I was a single dad with full custody of 3 and 6 yr old boys.

I did understand my old plan and still do. My LLM is in Health Law and Policy despite me being a professional poker player for 13 years before becoming a DOD employee, I do actually still have my law license and understand the health regulations quite well.

ETA- dammit...that last paragraph was super dickish... I'm leaving it but want everyone to know I didn't intend for it to come out as such.
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Oh, I get it now. I thought you had meant that they tripled overnight. I'd believe they have tripled since then; almost insurance has gone way up, but you know that.

I had thought you were an attorney, but wasn't sure. I think it's funny that DOD hires professional poker players. I mean, there's no reason not to, except that popular stereotypes are not consonant.

I don't think your last paragraph was super dickish. Maybe a little dickish. But also I might not be the best judge.
 
Can someone on the left tell me what your party is trying to accomplish? This is the left's legislation that it wrote that it is protesting.
 
Callatoroy said:
Can someone on the left tell me what your party is trying to accomplish? This is the left's legislation that it wrote that it is protesting.
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The bill voted down was H. R. 5371

If you have any question about what the sections actually do you can read the full text for yourself at: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/5371/text#H55B49366B8514E1EA7527C56987FB59E, but the heading give you a very good idea of "what the Democrats want to accomplish".

For the record, I saw the tiktok you posted one page back. I did a full search of the text of the bill and the following search terms have zero results from the full text of the bill: "Climate", Honduras", Democracy", "Balkans", and "Africa".

You are being lied to. Or in the most charitable interpretation, the "facts" you have been selectively presented with are so grossly distorted as to have zero meaning in our shared reality. You should not be OK with that. That should enrage you.

DIVISION A—CONTINUING APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2026
DIVISION B—MISCELLANEOUS EXTENSIONS
SEC. 101. United States grain standards.
DIVISION C—HEALTH EXTENDERS
TITLE I—Public Health Extenders
SEC. 101. Extension for community health centers, National Health Service Corps, and teaching health centers that operate GME programs.
SEC. 102. Extension of special diabetes programs.
SEC. 103. National health security extensions.
TITLE II—Medicare
SEC. 201. Extension of increased inpatient hospital payment adjustment for certain low-volume hospitals.
SEC. 202. Extension of the Medicare-dependent hospital (MDH) program.
SEC. 203. Extension of add-on payments for ambulance services.
SEC. 204. Extension of funding for quality measure endorsement, input, and selection.
SEC. 205. Extension of funding outreach and assistance for low-income programs.
SEC. 206. Extension of the work geographic index floor.
SEC. 207. Extension of certain telehealth flexibilities.
SEC. 208. Extending acute hospital care at home waiver authorities.
SEC. 210. Extension of funding for Medicare hospice surveys.
SEC. 211. Medicare improvement fund.
TITLE III—Human Services
SEC. 301. Sexual risk avoidance education extension.
SEC. 302. Personal responsibility education extension.
SEC. 303. Extension of funding for family-to-family health information centers.
TITLE IV—Medicaid
SEC. 401. Modifying certain disproportionate share hospital allotments.
TITLE V—Food and Drug Administration
SEC. 501. Short title. (Boring. I'm including so you don't think I'm hiding something)
SEC. 503. Definitions. (Ibid.)
SEC. 504. Authority to assess and use OTC monograph fees.
SEC. 505. Reauthorization; reporting requirements.
SEC. 506. Treatment of active ingredients for topical administration.
SEC. 507. Increasing the clarity and predictability of the process for developing applications for Rx-to-nonprescription switches.
SEC. 508. Regulation of certain nonprescription drugs that are marketed without an approved drug application.
SEC. 509. Sunset dates.
SEC. 510. Effective date.
SEC. 511. Savings clause.
TITLE VI—No Surprises Act Implementation
SEC. 601. Extending availability of funding for No Surprises Act implementation.
DIVISION D—DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS EXTENDERS
TITLE I—Health Care Matters
SEC. 101. Extension of authority for collection of copayments for hospital care and nursing home care.
SEC. 102. Extension of requirement to provide nursing home care to certain veterans with service-connected disabilities.
SEC. 103. Extension of Staff Sergeant Parker Gordon Fox Suicide Prevention Grant Program.
SEC. 104. Extension of funding for expansion of Rural Access Network for Growth Enhancement
TITLE II—Benefits
SEC. 201. Extension of requirement for quarterly briefings on administration of authorities relating to determinations regarding presumptions of service connection based on toxic exposure.
SEC. 202. Extension of requirement relating to restoration of entitlement to educational assistance in cases of closure or disapproval of educational institutions.
SEC. 203. Extension of temporary clarification of licensure requirements for contractor medical professionals to perform medical disability examinations for the Department of Veterans Affairs under pilot program for use of contract physicians for disability examinations.
SEC. 204. Extension of authority to maintain regional office in Republic of Philippines.
TITLE III—Housing
SEC. 301. Extension of authorization of appropriations for homeless women veterans and homeless veterans with children reintegration grant program.
SEC. 302. Extension of authority for treatment and rehabilitation for seriously mentally ill and homeless veterans.
SEC. 303. Extension of funding for financial assistance for supportive services for very low-income veteran families in permanent housing.
SEC. 304. Extension of funding for grant program for homeless veterans with special needs.
SEC. 305. Extension of authority to provide assistance for specially adapted housing for disabled veterans residing temporarily in housing owned by a family member.
SEC. 306. Extension of authority for specially adapted housing assistive technology grant program.
SEC. 307. Improvements to Partial Claim Program of the Department of Veterans Affairs.
SEC. 308. Government Accountability Office reports on Partial Claim Program of the Department of Veterans Affairs and other matters.
TITLE IV—Other Matters
SEC. 401. Extension of subpoena authority of Inspector General of Department of Veterans Affairs.
SEC. 402. Extension of authority for Secretary of Veterans Affairs to transport individuals to and from facilities of Department of Veterans Affairs.
SEC. 403. Extension of authority relating to vendee loan program.
SEC. 404. Extension of authority for transfer of real property.
DIVISION E—MISCELLANEOUS
SEC. 101. BUDGETARY EFFECTS.
 
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Ddseddse said:
The bill voted down was H. R. 5371

If you have any question about what the sections actually do you can read the full text for yourself at: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/5371/text#H55B49366B8514E1EA7527C56987FB59E, but the heading give you a very good idea of "what the Democrats want to accomplish".

For the record, I saw the tiktok you posted one page back. I did a full search of the text of the bill and the following search terms have zero results from the full text of the bill: "Climate", Honduras", Democracy", "Balkans", and "Africa".

You are being lied to. You should not be OK with that. That should enrage you.

DIVISION A—CONTINUING APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2026
DIVISION B—MISCELLANEOUS EXTENSIONS
SEC. 101. United States grain standards.
DIVISION C—HEALTH EXTENDERS
TITLE I—Public Health Extenders
SEC. 101. Extension for community health centers, National Health Service Corps, and teaching health centers that operate GME programs.
SEC. 102. Extension of special diabetes programs.
SEC. 103. National health security extensions.
TITLE II—Medicare
SEC. 201. Extension of increased inpatient hospital payment adjustment for certain low-volume hospitals.
SEC. 202. Extension of the Medicare-dependent hospital (MDH) program.
SEC. 203. Extension of add-on payments for ambulance services.
SEC. 204. Extension of funding for quality measure endorsement, input, and selection.
SEC. 205. Extension of funding outreach and assistance for low-income programs.
SEC. 206. Extension of the work geographic index floor.
SEC. 207. Extension of certain telehealth flexibilities.
SEC. 208. Extending acute hospital care at home waiver authorities.
SEC. 210. Extension of funding for Medicare hospice surveys.
SEC. 211. Medicare improvement fund.
TITLE III—Human Services
SEC. 301. Sexual risk avoidance education extension.
SEC. 302. Personal responsibility education extension.
SEC. 303. Extension of funding for family-to-family health information centers.
TITLE IV—Medicaid
SEC. 401. Modifying certain disproportionate share hospital allotments.
TITLE V—Food and Drug Administration
SEC. 501. Short title. (Boring. I'm including so you don't think I'm hiding something)
SEC. 503. Definitions. (Ibid.)
SEC. 504. Authority to assess and use OTC monograph fees.
SEC. 505. Reauthorization; reporting requirements.
SEC. 506. Treatment of active ingredients for topical administration.
SEC. 507. Increasing the clarity and predictability of the process for developing applications for Rx-to-nonprescription switches.
SEC. 508. Regulation of certain nonprescription drugs that are marketed without an approved drug application.
SEC. 509. Sunset dates.
SEC. 510. Effective date.
SEC. 511. Savings clause.
TITLE VI—No Surprises Act Implementation
SEC. 601. Extending availability of funding for No Surprises Act implementation.
DIVISION D—DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS EXTENDERS
TITLE I—Health Care Matters
SEC. 101. Extension of authority for collection of copayments for hospital care and nursing home care.
SEC. 102. Extension of requirement to provide nursing home care to certain veterans with service-connected disabilities.
SEC. 103. Extension of Staff Sergeant Parker Gordon Fox Suicide Prevention Grant Program.
SEC. 104. Extension of funding for expansion of Rural Access Network for Growth Enhancement
TITLE II—Benefits
SEC. 201. Extension of requirement for quarterly briefings on administration of authorities relating to determinations regarding presumptions of service connection based on toxic exposure.
SEC. 202. Extension of requirement relating to restoration of entitlement to educational assistance in cases of closure or disapproval of educational institutions.
SEC. 203. Extension of temporary clarification of licensure requirements for contractor medical professionals to perform medical disability examinations for the Department of Veterans Affairs under pilot program for use of contract physicians for disability examinations.
SEC. 204. Extension of authority to maintain regional office in Republic of Philippines.
TITLE III—Housing
SEC. 301. Extension of authorization of appropriations for homeless women veterans and homeless veterans with children reintegration grant program.
SEC. 302. Extension of authority for treatment and rehabilitation for seriously mentally ill and homeless veterans.
SEC. 303. Extension of funding for financial assistance for supportive services for very low-income veteran families in permanent housing.
SEC. 304. Extension of funding for grant program for homeless veterans with special needs.
SEC. 305. Extension of authority to provide assistance for specially adapted housing for disabled veterans residing temporarily in housing owned by a family member.
SEC. 306. Extension of authority for specially adapted housing assistive technology grant program.
SEC. 307. Improvements to Partial Claim Program of the Department of Veterans Affairs.
SEC. 308. Government Accountability Office reports on Partial Claim Program of the Department of Veterans Affairs and other matters.
TITLE IV—Other Matters
SEC. 401. Extension of subpoena authority of Inspector General of Department of Veterans Affairs.
SEC. 402. Extension of authority for Secretary of Veterans Affairs to transport individuals to and from facilities of Department of Veterans Affairs.
SEC. 403. Extension of authority relating to vendee loan program.
SEC. 404. Extension of authority for transfer of real property.
DIVISION E—MISCELLANEOUS
SEC. 101. BUDGETARY EFFECTS.
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Also, 3.2M for some program in Africa is so utterly inconsequential that the only motivation for the complaint would have to be racism. Remember: that's less than 5% of what the DC parade cost.
 
Callatoroy said:
Can someone on the left tell me what your party is trying to accomplish? This is the left's legislation that it wrote that it is protesting.
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It really doesn’t take a lot of imagination to understand this (which is another indication to me that you are not a good faith poster - there’s a name for that) but I’ll lay it out as I see it.

First and foremost, the Dems’ effort is intended as a strong rebuke of the Republican approach of funding tax cuts through a combination of slashing health care and debt financing as reflected in the OBBB but also more broadly, ie. economic redistribution favoring the rich at the expense of the working class.

This strategy strikes me as wise because, provided the Dems stay unified, they will force the Repubs to either negotiate terms more favorable to the labor class through subsidies for healthcare coverage or to overcome the filibuster by means of the nuclear option. Let’s be clear: the Repubs own this. They need zero Dem votes to pass the budget.

Their dilemma is that compromise will give the Dems a win but a strictly partisan vote will reinforce who’s to blame for the consequences.

I think they’ll succumb to the demand for compromise.

Besides that, the Dems are clearly making a statement in opposition to the slash and burn efforts of the administration.

It all strikes me as good politics, which is rarely seen from that side, which is why I fear cowardly defections.
 
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