UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

[mpaer]

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[Zoo_View]

i think they would have gladly taken him as first game starter. i think it's as simple as bill and lombardi don't like him and made a show out of re-recruiting him solely as a PR move... and given their displayed actual qb/offensive scouting acumen, there's little reason to think he's 4th on the depth chart on meritocracy.

Remember, Bill Belichick was the head coach of the Patriots when they drafted Tom Brady in the 6th round. It’s not like they looked at Brady and thought, “He’s going to be great. We have to get him.”

 

[C-Money]

Remember, Bill Belichick was the head coach of the Patriots when they drafted Tom Brady in the 6th round. It’s not like they looked at Brady and thought, “He’s going to be great. We have to get him.”

He also said he wouldn't have drafted Drake Maye.

 

[gregh1]

i think they would have gladly taken him as first game starter. i think it's as simple as bill and lombardi don't like him and made a show out of re-recruiting him solely as a PR move... and given their displayed actual qb/offensive scouting acumen, there's little reason to think he's 4th on the depth chart on meritocracy.

Could it be as simple as Newkirk being better than Baker in practice, in effort, leadership, attitude, weight-room, all that? Baker didn't look polished spring game, since then things are so locked-down that nobody has seen him all fall outside of this strong clap:

 

[gregh1]

He also said he wouldn't have drafted Drake Maye.

He didn't say that at all. You are falling for some rumor or hearsy, go watch the vid yourself

 

[heel79]

He didn't say that at all. You are falling for some rumor or hearsy, go watch the vid yourself

Thanks for posting. I had bought the lie.

 

[Peppers49]

The Baker vs. Newkirk debate is essentially moot in my eyes since the staff insisted on doubling and tripling down on Gio until the bitter end for some reason. We don’t really know what we have in either of them, and by the time we go through the portal cycle and spring + fall camps it’s very possible that the current pecking order flips.

If the staff really does want to turn to the portal again this off-season for a veteran starter then that would mean we have that guy, 2 former 4*s going into their sophomore seasons, and then another highly touted freshman 4* coming in as well. It’s almost certain that at least 1 guy decides to transfer in that situation. Not the worst problem to have by any means, just hope we pick the right guy.

 

[PTOHeel]

He didn't say that at all. You are falling for some rumor or hearsy, go watch the vid yourself

Not a very positive evaluation of Maye. He had him as the lowest rated pocket passer. That probably morphed into people saying he wouldn't have drafted him (which would seem like a pretty obvious conclusion from those comments).

 

[gregh1]

Not a very positive evaluation of Maye. He had him as the lowest rated pocket passer. That probably morphed into people saying he wouldn't have drafted him (which would seem like a pretty obvious conclusion from those comments).

First, It is Bill Belichick, he's a perfectionist who is critical about everything. Second, pocket-passer isn't everything- BB comments on Drake's athleticism and running ability (IMMENSELY talented), and didn't BB pine for Lamar Jackson (lowest rated pocket passer)?

 

[gregh1]

This season has given us myriad reasons to be skeptical of BB's college coaching skills, but twisting things to promote a theory that he didn't like Maye is silly.

 

[keywestheel]

Bold strategy. I still think coaches matter.

Bold strategy. I still think coaches matter. Quite a bit.

How many head coaches, coordinators, and position coaches has UNC been through the past decades and still haven't been able to beat anyone good consistently?

The one constant is that we have had slow and not very talented linemen on both side. Just not much talent at all and idc one flip about so-called expert recruiting rankings.

Any coach will tell you its 90% about the Jimmy and Joes, but fans like us arent too bright and constantly clamour and blush over coaches for some reason and pay them a stupid amount of money to coach a very simple game.

 

[Peppers49]

How many head coaches, coordinators, and position coaches has UNC been through the past decades and still haven't been able to beat anyone good consistently?

The one constant is that we have had slow and not very talented linemen on both side. Just not much talent at all and idc one flip about so-called expert recruiting rankings.

Any coach will tell you its 90% about the Jimmy and Joes, but fans like us arent too bright and constantly clamour and blush over coaches for some reason and pay them a stupid amount of money to coach a very simple game.

Even if you think that coaching doesn’t matter at all and it’s all about having good players, the coaches are still the ones responsible for convincing good players to join the team in the first place. No matter how you slice it, having a good coach is very important. UNC consistently making poor coaching hires doesn’t invalidate that fact.

 

[keywestheel]

Even if you think that coaching doesn’t matter at all and it’s all about having good players, the coaches are still the ones responsible for convincing good players to join the team in the first place. No matter how you slice it, having a good coach is very important. UNC consistently making poor coaching hires doesn’t invalidate that fact.

This isnt 1980. All the main majority of kids care about now is money. Anyone can coach the game of football if they have talent. Poor coaching hires is a great excuse to keep doing the same things over and over again :rolleyes

 

[PTOHeel]

First, It is Bill Belichick, he's a perfectionist who is critical about everything. Second, pocket-passer isn't everything- BB comments on Drake's athleticism and running ability (IMMENSELY talented), and didn't BB pine for Lamar Jackson (lowest rated pocket passer)?

I'm not trying to twist anything, just saying the vibe I got from his comments doesn't seem that far from the "rumor" or "lie" or whatever. Doesn't really matter though. The only thing that matters is how good he is at talent evaluation now.

 

[rodoheel]

This isnt 1980. All the main majority of kids care about now is money. Anyone can coach the game of football if they have talent. Poor coaching hires is a great excuse to keep doing the same things over and over again :rolleyes

Cignetti and Indiana are a fairly obvious rebuttal to the idea that it's only about how much talent you have (and how much money you have to spend on that talent). I'm not going to deny the general premise that you usually need great talent to succeed in college football, but that's really no different from how it's always been. The portal has changed player movement but I don't really think it's changed that much about what you need to do to successfully coach a college football team.

 

[Peppers49]

This isnt 1980. All the main majority of kids care about now is money. Anyone can coach the game of football if they have talent. Poor coaching hires is a great excuse to keep doing the same things over and over again :rolleyes

Think this is really downplaying the fact that being a good recruiter is a skill in and of itself for a head coach. You can’t just stick in any dumb fuck as head coach, shower players with cash, and expect to win at a high level unless you have like Texas Tech levels of NIL money to throw around.

 

[akillesheel]

Could it be as simple as Newkirk being better than Baker in practice, in effort, leadership, attitude, weight-room, all that? Baker didn't look polished spring game, since then things are so locked-down that nobody has seen him all fall outside of this strong clap:

it could be, but given the available information, i find it significantly less likely than the other explanations put forward. For 2/3 of the season, Gio Lopez was one of the 5 worst starting quarterbacks in P4 and maybe FBS football. I find it hard to believe that on merit, we had three worse options on our bench, and that calls everything else about that pecking order into question.

 

[C-Money]

Cignetti and Indiana are a fairly obvious rebuttal to the idea that it's only about how much talent you have (and how much money you have to spend on that talent). I'm not going to deny the general premise that you usually need great talent to succeed in college football, but that's really no different from how it's always been. The portal has changed player movement but I don't really think it's changed that much about what you need to do to successfully coach a college football team.

And there's no reason UNC could not get the talent and staff it needs to be as successful as Indiana with the name recognition and money it has. The reason UNC hasn't been is because of bad personnel decisions.

 

[Calheel]

And there's no reason UNC could not get the talent and staff it needs to be as successful as Indiana with the name recognition and money it has. The reason UNC hasn't been is because of bad personnel decisions.

If we treat Indiana and Cignetti as equivalent to a Megabucks winner, it is a little easier to digest.

Like, there is no reason UNC couldn't win the Megabucks, too.

While true, the statement ignores how incredibly lucky Indiana was with Cignetti. Schools like Indiana have probably hired 500 coaches since 2000 and only one of them has been gold.

 

[uncjhodges]

it could be, but given the available information, i find it significantly less likely than the other explanations put forward. For 2/3 of the season, Gio Lopez was one of the 5 worst starting quarterbacks in P4 and maybe FBS football. I find it hard to believe that on merit, we had three worse options on our bench, and that calls everything else about that pecking order into question.

especially with a group reported to play favorites and 1 was their recruit and the others weren’t