UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

[4thgenheel]

clemson's big run under dabo from 2015-2019 spoiled them.

99% of CFP programs, basically everyone aside from the bluebloods and recently successful almost bluebloods like clemson, would kill for a stretch like SCAR had from 2010-2013. hell, nebraska and USC are bluebloods and would likely kill for a stretch like that currently.

hell, clemson is currently "mired" in a stretch that isn't as good as that. the last time they finished the season ranked in the top 5 was 2020.

 

[8992Tiger]

Spurrier had a winning record against Clemson and took them to the SEC championship game. That’s not the ACC championship game. That’s the SEC. Spurrier did a great job there.

As I said, they had some very good years, but it was the Spurrier show, and when he left, success left. Of course when great coaches leave a school, performance can dip, a la Bama, but the Spurrier success seemed short lived to me and he definately overshadowed the program.

 

[8992Tiger]

this. they won 11 games like 4 straight years and beat clemson 5 straight, iirc? finished ranked in the top 5 a time or two?

kind of an absurd take from the biased clemson fan, frankly.

those were some damn good years and spurrier definitely legitimized that program to some degree.

if belichick has a stretch like that at UNC it will likely mean multiple ACC titles and CFP berths. build the statue, rename the stadium, etc.

It seemed like the South Carolina Spurriers to me rather than the South Carolina Gamecocks. When he left, the Gamecocks were back where they started.

 

[4thgenheel]

It seemed like the South Carolina Spurriers to me rather than the South Carolina Gamecocks. When he left, the Gamecocks were back where they started.

i just don't even know what this means or how its relevant.

really good coaches are transcendent. the clemson dabo's are nowhere near the heights they were at 5-10 years ago and he's still your coach.

bama is immediately sliding post-saban.

your clemson program looks very much built in dabo's image the same way that you're claiming SCAR was in spurrier's.

i just think you're a little too biased to look at the situation thoughtfully and rationally.

 

[HintonJamesHeel]

This is the make or break year for Dabo. He has a crapload returning. There is no reason they shouldn’t be top 5. If they aren’t, Dabo is finished.

 

[8992Tiger]

i just don't even know what this means or how its relevant.

really good coaches are transcendent. the clemson dabo's are nowhere near the heights they were at 5-10 years ago and he's still your coach.

bama is immediately sliding post-saban.

your clemson program looks very much built in dabo's image the same way that you're claiming SCAR was in spurrier's.

i just think you're a little too biased to look at the situation thoughtfully and rationally.

That is entirely possible, because I am biased. I just think Spurrier was bigger than the program; he was the subject of conversation. I hope Belichick doesn't remain the subject of conversation. But hey, like you and I said, I am pretty biased.

 

[Calheel]

This is the make or break year for Dabo. He has a crapload returning. There is no reason they shouldn’t be top 5. If they aren’t, Dabo is finished.

Huh, Dabo just won the ACC and made it to the playoffs. He is by far and away the best coach Clemson has ever had. And you think Clemson would run him off if they finish No. 6? Why? So they can hire the next Tommy West or Ken Hatfield?

 

[lawtig02]

Huh, Dabo just won the ACC and made it to the playoffs. He is by far and away the best coach Clemson has ever had. And you think Clemson would run him off if they finish No. 6? Why? So they can hire the next Tommy West or Ken Hatfield?

Yeah, Dabo is in no danger for a very, very long time.

 

[4thgenheel]

That is entirely possible, because I am biased. I just think Spurrier was bigger than the program; he was the subject of conversation. I hope Belichick doesn't remain the subject of conversation. But hey, like you and I said, I am pretty biased.

kudos to you for owning it. we can be the same way about dook/state.

i think that all of the really successful, transcendent coaches are like that to some degree. SCAR's program was trash prior to spurrier, so its pretty natural that he became the figurehead.

take it from someone who isn't immersed in the palmetto rivalry and has no horse in the race, if anything i favor clemson, dabo is really similar to that for y'all.

 

[8992Tiger]

kudos to you for owning it. we can be the same way about dook/state.

i think that all of the really successful, transcendent coaches are like that to some degree. SCAR's program was trash prior to spurrier, so its pretty natural that he became the figurehead.

take it from someone who isn't immersed in the palmetto rivalry and has no horse in the race, if anything i favor clemson, dabo is really similar to that for y'all.

Ha ha. I do sense a bias on this board against Duke and State!

This is only my perspective from my VERY orange glasses. While K was the face of Duke basketball, he did not transcendent it. It was always Duke. Similarly, Dean was the face of the team, but it was always all about Carolina. I thought Spurrier was the main thing in Columbia; he transcended the team. I hope it is "Tar Heel football, coached by Bill Bilickick," not "Bill Bolickick coaching the heels." Either way, good luck.

 

[Zoo_View]

Ha ha. I do sense a bias on this board against Duke and State!

This is only my perspective from my VERY orange glasses. While K was the face of Duke basketball, he did not transcendent it. It was always Duke. Similarly, Dean was the face of the team, but it was always all about Carolina. I thought Spurrier was the main thing in Columbia; he transcended the team. I hope it is "Tar Heel football, coached by Bill Bilickick," not "Bill Bolickick coaching the heels." Either way, good luck.

I mostly agree with what you are saying.

South Carolina was one of the worst ever “big time” college football programs EVER before Spurrier (same for Florida).

I disagree that d00k basketball was never ALL ABOUT K.

Go look at d00k basketball’s Wiki page…..hard to tell that d00k was highly successful before K.

I hope that if the Belichik experiment is successful, UNC follows that up with immediate and continued success - things that Florida nor South Carolina did.

 

[DiehardHeelFan]

Pablo Torre will sue UNC if necessary over Bill Belichick, Jordon Hudson public records requests​

Pablo Torre will sue UNC if necessary over Bill Belichick, Jordon Hudson public records requests

Pablo Torre of Pablo Torre Finds Out has been finding out plenty about North Carolina coach Bill Belichick and his 24-year-old girlfriend/handler/publicist/idea mill/creative muse Jordon Hudson.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Calheel]

Pablo Torre will sue UNC if necessary over Bill Belichick, Jordon Hudson public records requests​

Pablo Torre will sue UNC if necessary over Bill Belichick, Jordon Hudson public records requests

Pablo Torre of Pablo Torre Finds Out has been finding out plenty about North Carolina coach Bill Belichick and his 24-year-old girlfriend/handler/publicist/idea mill/creative muse Jordon Hudson.

www.nbcsports.com

Pablo Torre obviously does not know how experienced we are at defending public record requests.

 

[BlueSteel]

Still can’t help but think that if this was happening at Alabama, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, Oklahoma, etc… Bill B and Jordon would be the toast of the town—and the sports media—regardless of any of these circumstances. The fact is, NO ONE outside of Chapel Hill (and alumni) wants to see UNC succeed with this. Here’s a crazy idea: Let’s let Bill B do what we brought him here to do—make us a formidable top-10 FBS team. Fuck the haters. And that list is an extensive one.

 

[farce©]

Still can’t help but think that if this was happening at Alabama, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, Oklahoma, etc… Bill B and Jordon would be the toast of the town—and the sports media—regardless of any of these circumstances.

This wouldn't happen at the schools you mentioned. Those programs would have dealt with the "Jordon problem" swiftly and quietly. You would never know she was there.

 

[superrific]

Still can’t help but think that if this was happening at Alabama, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, Oklahoma, etc… Bill B and Jordon would be the toast of the town—and the sports media—regardless of any of these circumstances.

Have you ever seen View To A Kill? There's a scene in which Grace Jones promises to "take care of" Bond "personally." I'd imagine Bill B wouldn't need Jordon at those schools. . .

 

[CFordUNC]

Yeah. UNC and UNC alone is to blame for this becoming a circus. The media can't report on something- or turn something into tabloid fodder- without being given the ammunition to do so in the first place, and UNC's decision to hire a 73-year-old who was openly dating a 23-year-old who inserts herself into her boyfriend's professional life, while having the entire search process be publicly laid bare as a colossal shitshow with tons of institutional infighting, provided plenty of ammunition. As farce said above, any serious football program/school would have dealt with the problem swiftly and quietly before it ever became an opportunity for a media feeding frenzy.

As someone who spent 4 years in the football program at UNC and as someone who has been a "Carolina football first" ever since I first became a sports fan, I always get a chuckle out of folks who think that UNC football has some long laundry list of haters and foes who are working incessantly to keep the program down. The only people besides us UNC folks who remotely give a flying Fig Newton about UNC football are NC State fans, and nobody outside of Wake County even knows they exist in the first place. We as an institution do far more to "keep Carolina football down" than any outside entity ever could. I'm obviously hopeful that this whole Belichick gamble works out for UNC, but my expectations are certainly tempered (and it has far more to do with UNC itself than it does with Bill Belichick, FWIW, and has exactly zero to do with Jordon Hudson).

 

[Calheel]

Yeah. UNC and UNC alone is to blame for this becoming a circus. The media can't report on something- or turn something into tabloid fodder- without being given the ammunition to do so in the first place, and UNC's decision to hire a 73-year-old who was openly dating a 23-year-old who inserts herself into her boyfriend's professional life, while having the entire search process be publicly laid bare as a colossal shitshow with tons of institutional infighting, provided plenty of ammunition. As farce said above, any serious football program/school would have dealt with the problem swiftly and quietly before it ever became an opportunity for a media feeding frenzy.

As someone who spent 4 years in the football program at UNC and as someone who has been a "Carolina football first" ever since I first became a sports fan, I always get a chuckle out of folks who think that UNC football has some long laundry list of haters and foes who are working incessantly to keep the program down. The only people besides us UNC folks who remotely give a flying Fig Newton about UNC football are NC State fans, and nobody outside of Wake County even knows they exist in the first place. We as an institution do far more to "keep Carolina football down" than any outside entity ever could. I'm obviously hopeful that this whole Belichick gamble works out for UNC, but my expectations are certainly tempered (and it has far more to do with UNC itself than it does with Bill Belichick, FWIW, and has exactly zero to do with Jordon Hudson).

There is truth to this, but there are also plenty of Professor Jay Smith’s out there who want to keep UNC football down. And there are also BoG members who have sports loyalties that blind them when it comes to good administration. Those people are a problem too - especially when it comes to conference realignment.

 

[donbosco]

@Calheel wrote: "...there are also plenty of Professor Jay Smith’s out there who want to keep UNC football down."

Doubtful.

 

[CFordUNC]

There is truth to this, but there are also plenty of Professor Jay Smith’s out there who want to keep UNC football down. And there are also BoG members who have sports loyalties that blind them when it comes to good administration. Those people are a problem too - especially when it comes to conference realignment.

Oh yeah, for sure, and really those folks are what I mean by it being an internal institutional problem versus there being legitimate outside entities that are successfully keeping UNC football down.

I'm definitely not without bias and I recognize that 100%. I was a Butch Davis guy and I am still incredibly irritated at the how the University handled the whole fiasco in 2010. I know it's been 15 years and I know I should get over it, but that was the point in time at which I was in the program, and it was such a chaotic shitshow, and so many folks's lives got turned upside down because the University didn't have the testicular fortitude to stand behind its employees and its student-athletes. People can feel that Coach Davis wasn't living up to his potential (I disagree, of course) and that he should have had better control of John Blake (with which I agree wholeheartedly)- but the way that the University just completely surrendered to the NCAA without it really even firing a shot (or even having the ability to fire a shot) has always stuck with me.

I wasn't fond of the Mack Brown 2.0 hire because I thought that we were getting a guy who had long ago lost his fastball who was selfishly trying to revive his own career and legacy. And I'm not fond of the Belichick hire for many of the same reasons, among others. I think that UNC would be much better served by pouring this kind of investment into the program but with someone younger and fierier, like Glenn Schumann. I know he doesn't have 6 Super Bowl trophies or anything, but he's spent his entire career so far around Nick Saban and Kirby Smart, and has actually coached and recruited in college football. THAT's the kind of hire I want to see UNC make. I want us to stop our obsession trying to win the damn press conference or SportsCenter like we did with Mack and Belichick, and instead try to hire the *next* Mack Brown or Bill Belichick- and actually invest in him.