UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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wmheel1287 said:
No doubt. Also not remotely my point. I can be a dick too, but is that really all that necessary?

How about this...name a target audience for UNC football who sees the current coverage and focus as a positive.
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Fair enough. Apologies regarding the dickitude.
 
akillesheel said:
none of those are target audiences, and two of the three are not seeing it as a positive for UNC, which is what was being asked.
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ESPN and Pablo definitely see it as a positive. Their entire non-live sports programming is premised on selling hot takes. They want controversy.

The ticket office appears to be doing very well this year -- so apparently, it has been positive (or at least not negative) for ticket sales.
 
Calheel said:
ESPN and Pablo definitely see it as a positive. Their entire non-live sports program is premised on selling hot takes. They want controversy.

The ticket office appears to be doing very well this year -- so apparently, it has been positive (or at least not negative) for ticket sales.
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you're saying they're seeing it as a positive for them, which is because they get to make fun of Bill and UNC, because they see it as a negative for UNC. "the ticket office" has no feelings on the matter whatsoever.
 
akillesheel said:
you're saying they're seeing it as a positive for them, which is because they get to make fun of Bill and UNC, because they see it as a negative for UNC. "the ticket office" has no feelings on the matter whatsoever.
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Man, ticket offices never get any sympathy. It's a lonely job, and we should be appreciative. And more sensitive.

How would you like to sit there inanimate for 8 months a year, working only on weekends during the season, and then be told that you have no feelings?
 
akillesheel said:
you're saying they're seeing it as a positive for them, which is because they get to make fun of Bill and UNC, because they see it as a negative for UNC. "the ticket office" has no feelings on the matter whatsoever.
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Well, Travis didn't ask for WHOM it was a positive. Just who saw it as a positive and was a target audience for UNC. I assume we very much view the media as a target audience (particularly now that ACC revenue is allocated based on ratings) and it is clear the media just loves this story for a host of reasons.
 
What boggles the mind is a story that blew up over the last 48 hours due to a discredited hot-taker (Pablo Torre) stating that there was a nonzero chance that Chapel Bill never coaches a game. This was not based on any insider information, it was just one dude's opinion and the media ran with it with stories about how Bill is likely on his way out.

Pablo was not wrong. It is entirely possible that Bill Belichick never coaches a game at UNC. Belichik could get hit by a bus tomorrow. However, speculation about every possible outcome that even has the smallest chance of happening is not news. It is simply bullshit. There is also a nonzero chance that Belichick goes undefeated and wins a natty as UNC's head coach. There is a nonzero chance that after Belichik dies, he is cloned and Belichik 2.0 comes to UNC and coaches from 2050-2090 and wins 32 consecutive national titles. There is a nonzero chance that Torre gets gorked on cocaine and ketamine and legally changes his name to TurdsinMaMouffMouff. Where are the news articles about that?
 
Calheel said:
ESPN and Pablo definitely see it as a positive. Their entire non-live sports programming is premised on selling hot takes. They want controversy.

The ticket office appears to be doing very well this year -- so apparently, it has been positive (or at least not negative) for ticket sales.
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Mack’s firing has been the biggest positive for UNC football ticket sales.
 
akillesheel said:
"low t level ethics pretenders"
"people who have never played the game"
"clickbait media types"

i know what you are, NCSN... and i am inclined to disagree with them just based on that.
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yeah, i noted all of that wording as well but i still think that they're correct about a lot of this controversy being manufactured.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
What boggles the mind is a story that blew up over the last 48 hours due to a discredited hot-taker (Pablo Torre) stating that there was a nonzero chance that Chapel Bill never coaches a game. This was not based on any insider information, it was just one dude's opinion and the media ran with it with stories about how Bill is likely on his way out.

Pablo was not wrong. It is entirely possible that Bill Belichick never coaches a game at UNC. Belichik could get hit by a bus tomorrow. However, speculation about every possible outcome that even has the smallest chance of happening is not news. It is simply bullshit. There is also a nonzero chance that Belichick goes undefeated and wins a natty as UNC's head coach. There is a nonzero chance that after Belichik dies, he is cloned and Belichik 2.0 comes to UNC and coaches from 2050-2090 and wins 32 consecutive national titles. There is a nonzero chance that Torre gets gorked on cocaine and ketamine and legally changes his name to TurdsinMaMouffMouff. Where are the news articles about that?
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to be clear, i disagree with Torre's take about Bill never coaching a game in CH....that seems really unlikely.

but UNC denying his report about Hudson doesn't make him "discredited." that reporting was/is likely pretty close to the truth on its merits.

IC reported that ptb in the AD and football program did in fact meet last week about the need for JH to have a reduced role/presence around all things UNC FB.

she probably wasn't "banned" per se but i bet the directive was that she make herself scarce or keep a really, really low profile.
 
sringwal said:
"75 year old mother in law(s) who know shit-all about sports" are probably the least important target audience for the success of UNC football.
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But they're an important target audience for ESPN, et al., i.e., people that don't follow sports at all who can be enticed by ostensibly lurid and scandalous clickbait stories about a famous old man and attractive (much) younger woman. And look, I'm not saying any of this is a good look for UNC, but just b/c it's clickbait gold for the media ("See? Even 75 year old shit-all knowing mothers-in-law are talking about it! Keep it coming, boys!") doesn't mean it's as bad as it's being portrayed...
 
CFordUNC said:
I'll confess that a not-insignificant part of my frustration with this whole ordeal is probably irrationally rooted in the fact that Carolina Football in general has broken my sports soul and I just come to expect that if the absolute worst can happen to Carolina Football, the absolute worst *will* happen to Carolina Football. So it's entirely possible I'm overreacting to it. I just want us to be good in football one damn time.
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That's what my buddies on another board call "the tick". It's a reference to HC Jim Tatum dying at 46 from Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever in the late 50's. Whenever we're poised for greatness in football, fate seems to intervene. Some have wondered if Jordon will be the tick. It's nothing that a few wins won't cure. I don't feel good about the opener. I just want to see improvement this year.
 
BubbaOtis said:
That's what my buddies on another board call "the tick". It's a reference to HC Jim Tatum dying at 46 from Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever in the late 50's. Whenever we're poised for greatness in football, fate seems to intervene. Some have wondered if Jordon will be the tick. It's nothing that a few wins won't cure. I don't feel good about the opener. I just want to see improvement this year.
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I do appreciate the image of Jordon Hudson as "the tick."

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did gruden do a little reading/research before reciting all of that UNC player history or is he just that much of a football guy?!

very, very impressive if that was all just off the top of his head.
 
4thgenheel said:
did gruden do a little reading/research before reciting all of that UNC player history or is he just that much of a football guy?!

very, very impressive if that was all just off the top of his head.
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I suspect when you've been involved in or commenting on NFL drafts your whole life, you know where they players go to college.

I used to be able to identify the colleges of every player in the NBA. Back in the 80s and early 90s. Some of it was learning, but mostly it was because I saw them play in college and remembered it. And Gruden does this stuff full time for 30 years.
 
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