UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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Trying to understand your perspective a little more here. Help me out if you don't mind. Note: this is not "shouting you down"- I am simply trying to understand the perspective of someone with whom I may not agree.

Is your perspective that you believe that all of the swirling rumors and innuendo are baseless and are just media members with axes to grind against UNC and are therefore making things up completely out of thin air, and therefore the football program *isn't* currently experiencing unprecedented internal chaos and turmoil?

Or is your perspective that the program is, in fact, experiencing internal chaos and turmoil, but you just don't like that many national and local media outlets are running with reporting the swirling rumors and innuendo? Genuinely trying to understand your view on this.

It seems extremely, transparently clear to me that there is a ton of internal chaos and turmoil rocking out football program right now. Whether every one of the rumors, or even many or most of the rumors are true, is immaterial to me because it is very obvious that we have a very unhealthy, very tumultuous football program. I don't see how anyone can look at what is going on and think that media members are just making all of this chaos and drama up out of thin air.
My perspective is I don't know. Obviously someone inside is feeding these newspapers info. I said originally the idea a WRAL anchor did anything except answer the phone and took notes is laughable. If you believe Connelly UNC, faced with all of this, decided to reject bbs offer to give them $1 million and walk away. Really? That passes no smell test. Again, I am sure there are internal issues but no idea the extent. Maybe we should all wait for more clarity. That is what I suggested two days ago.
 
I wonder if he goes on message boards anonymously every day and spreads manure. Talk about gutless.

Our overall athletic program is excellent and our athletic program has remained excellent with Bubba as our athletic director.

No matter the AD, no matter the coach, we have been a consistent 7-5 football program for 100 years.

We have never been a consistent 9-3 football team, and 100 years of history indicates that we never will no matter the AD, no matter the coach.
 
Definitely shades of what happened with Mack after the JMU game
Just pray this has that similar ending where the coach is ultimately forced out around Thanksgiving. There is no recovering from this just as there was no recovering from Mack quitting on the team in the locker room. No amount of stacking a few wins like we did last year should erase what transpired this week (and I highly doubt we have to worry about this team stacking a few wins, though on paper its possible).
 
My perspective is I don't know. Obviously someone inside is feeding these newspapers info. I said originally the idea a WRAL anchor did anything except answer the phone and took notes is laughable. If you believe Connelly UNC, faced with all of this, decided to reject bbs offer to give them $1 million and walk away. Really? That passes no smell test. Again, I am sure there are internal issues but no idea the extent. Maybe we should all wait for more clarity. That is what I suggested two days ago.
Seriously - can we just stipulate to not talk at all about any WRAL or N&O reporting and just focus on the substance of reporting from other, independent sources? There is no point in continuing to argue about the N&O, WRAL, or their motives. I personally don't care about their reporting. I'm not relying on their reporting. I care about the reporting from other sources. This just seems like a pointless distraction from actually talking about the issues with the UNC football program and what will happen moving forward.
 
Our overall athletic program is excellent and our athletic program has remained excellent with Bubba as our athletic director.

No matter the AD, no matter the coach, we have been a consistent 7-5 football program for 100 years.

We have never been a consistent 9-3 football team, and 100 years of history indicates that we never will no matter the AD, no matter the coach.
Bubba has been a spectacularly good AD, IMO, and when left to do his job, has fared extremely well. Football and men's basketball aside- since he wasn't allowed to actually do his job on either of those- the overall athletics department is in the best health it has ever been, IMO, in terms of broad-based success, immaculate facilities and capital upgrades, fundraising success, etc. And he's a much nicer guy than he is even good at his job, which is saying something.
 
Your POV doesn't pass the smell test. No one reported that UNC rejected a BB buyout offer.
Ollie reported that BB triggered his buyout option provided soft landing. So yea, semantics. Why UNC would come with that statement instead of saying let's find you a parachute makes no sense at least to me. Ollie knows only what someone is telling him. And let's see what he says today.
 
Seriously - can we just stipulate to not talk at all about any WRAL or N&O reporting and just focus on the substance of reporting from other, independent sources? There is no point in continuing to argue about the N&O, WRAL, or their motives. I personally don't care about their reporting. I'm not relying on their reporting. I care about the reporting from other sources. This just seems like a pointless distraction from actually talking about the issues with the UNC football program and what will happen moving forward.
Sure what are some doing original reporting? I mean on campus and digging. Not answering a phone call.
 
Bubba has been a spectacularly good AD, IMO, and when left to do his job, has fared extremely well. Football and men's basketball aside- since he wasn't allowed to actually do his job on either of those- the overall athletics department is in the best health it has ever been, IMO, in terms of broad-based success, immaculate facilities and capital upgrades, fundraising success, etc. And he's a much nicer guy than he is even good at his job, which is saying something.
I like ADs making Coach hire decisions
I like Faculty making Tenure Decisions
I like faculty determing curriculum
None of those things are true today
It is a freaking shame that a bunch of old white men on political steroids think they can make these decisions
 
Kiawahman just posted on 247:
Supposed insiders have been releasing false info. My guess they’re people associated with the last regime.
 
doesnt seem too healthy to me when the ad is bypassed when it comes to hiring our bb and fb coaches, but i understand that makes people feel good to somehow justify it. maybe it would be in fantastic health if bubba had the guts to speak up and allowed to hire our last two hires in bb and fb.

i dont understand trying to justify the lack of character and guts just because we win a couple of titles in sports that loses money and no one other than sensitive alumni care about. give me a strong fb and bb program anyday of the week over womens tennis soccer and field hockey.

maybe we could have all that if our ad had balls so im not going to give him any pass at all i ll leave that honor to his fanboys.
 
Kiawahman just posted on 247:
Supposed insiders have been releasing false info. My guess they’re people associated with the last regime.
I wonder if that is in reference to the poster named heel61 who was a former player of Macks (during 1.0) and who had a lot of insider info during 2.0? Otherwise, nobody inside the Kenan Football Center is associated with the last regime because Bill and Lombardi quite literally fired them all back in December- even down to executive/admin assistants. Almost every single person on the fourth floor of the Kenan Football Center is a Bill Belichick hire, with the notable exception of Natrone Means, and I highly doubt Natrone Means is leaking info to anyone.
 
Kiawahman just posted on 247:
Supposed insiders have been releasing false info. My guess they’re people associated with the last regime.
seems pretty head in sand
And, if this is true, tons of people inside and around the program are “leaking false info” well doesn’t that give an indication of how much turmoil and chaos inside the program is happening just in and of itself. Well run organizations don’t have that issue
 
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Kiawahman just posted on 247:
Supposed insiders have been releasing false info. My guess they’re people associated with the last regime.
Of course. At this point that has to be obvious to everyone. I will keep saying, that does not exonerate what we have seen on field, not does it mean there are no internal issues that need to be dealt with. I think an interesting watch would be to see if some of this dries up in the media. If Ollie Connelly does not feel like he got used, he should feel that way.
 
Sure what are some doing original reporting? I mean on campus and digging. Not answering a phone call.
Inside Carolina, Tarheel 247, their national affiliates, among others. If you are subscribed to those sites you can go read what they're reporting; I'm not going to take their paid content and post it here for free (but plenty of people, including me, have already posted snippets and/or summaries of what they've said).

The section of this podcast that starts at the 15:07 mark here is pretty sobering:

 
Ah yes, we’re finally at the point where the basketball-only crowd feels comfortable enough to come out of the woodwork and backhandedly insult the fans that actually want the football team to be good. I guess the joke is on us for caring about the biggest college sport in the country.
 
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