UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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rodoheel said:
Inside Carolina, Tarheel 247, their national affiliates, among others. If you are subscribed to those sites you can go read what they're reporting; I'm not going to take their paid content and post it here for free (but plenty of people, including me, have already posted snippets and/or summaries of what they've said).

The section of this podcast that starts at the 15:07 mark here is pretty sobering:

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Yea. I have read most, not, all of that. I am on On3. They clearly been wrong on some stuff. Maybe they are feeding the newspapers, pissed about access. I ain't the only one with that thought.
 
rodoheel said:
Inside Carolina, Tarheel 247, their national affiliates, among others. If you are subscribed to those sites you can go read what they're reporting; I'm not going to take their paid content and post it here for free (but plenty of people, including me, have already posted snippets and/or summaries of what they've said).

The section of this podcast that starts at the 15:07 mark here is pretty sobering:

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I'll watch later. Thanks
 
rodoheel said:
Inside Carolina, Tarheel 247, their national affiliates, among others. If you are subscribed to those sites you can go read what they're reporting; I'm not going to take their paid content and post it here for free (but plenty of people, including me, have already posted snippets and/or summaries of what they've said).

The section of this podcast that starts at the 15:07 mark here is pretty sobering:

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Thanks for posting Cover 3. Really think a lot of our fans get used to only consuming news from UNC media outlets. It’s eye-opening to hear perspectives on this situation from people that have no dog in the fight and are just observing from the outside looking in.
 
heel79 said:
Ollie reported that BB triggered his buyout option provided soft landing. So yea, semantics. Why UNC would come with that statement instead of saying let's find you a parachute makes no sense at least to me. Ollie knows only what someone is telling him. And let's see what he says today.
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You were an editor. You know how words work, and why you choose one word over the other. You know this.

The word "triggered" in this context is used to represent a binary on/off decision that is necessarily one-way and irreversible.

Did he exercise his option to leave the program by paying us a million dollars, or not? No. No he did not. Nothing was "triggered".

You know this, and yet you still used the word "triggered".

Because I know that you know the meaning of words and how to use words, you''ll excuse me if I don't believe that you are dealing in good faith here.

EDIT: The term of art you could have and should have used, but chose not to, is "floated the idea of" which more reliable narrators chose in this instance.
 
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PTOHeel said:
I believe the report was that BB was open to the idea of a $1m buyout if he could find a coaching or media position to move on to. My guess is that there have been a lot of conversations behind the scenes and little dribs and drabs have made their way to various media reports. Obviously nothing is official at all at this point.
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If he leaves for the media, I hope they’re smart enough to make him sign some sort of non-disparagement agreement
 
uncjhodges said:
seems pretty head in sand
And, if this is true, tons of people inside and around the program are “leaking false info” well doesn’t that give an indication of how much turmoil and chaos inside the program is happening just in and of itself. Well run organizations don’t have that issue
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Why do you say "tons"? I suspect IC, 247, WRAL, etc all have the same few sources.
 
heel79 said:
Yea, name a coach in history fired after 5 games. I will hang up and listen. The product is beyond disappointing, and as I have said repeatedly, that falls to a large degree on BB and Lombo. But football coaches typically get a few years to build a program and although the portal changes the metric some, not to 5 games IMO. Our staff whiffed on the portal, especially having to settle for QB No. 3. They can't whiff again if they get the chance.
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Lots of coaches are fired after one year in the NFL, and seeing as how we are the 33rd NFL team, that seems like an appropriate comparison. Urban Meyer didn’t even make it through his one year in Jacksonville.

At the college level, several coaches have been fired right away, including George O’Leary and Mike Price. They didn’t even get to five games.

Edit - and as long as we are comparing this to past examples, can you tell me how many schools have hired a 73 year old coach? And should the age of a coach have an impact on a long term rebuild plan?

Second edit - the timing also must consider the current conference realignment dynamics and the importance of having a competent football program. We aren’t in a position to wait indefinitely for a rebuild at this precarious time. And making a decisive call right away and ponying up the buyout money shows that we are serious about football. Letting this clown show continue is not a good look for future SEC admittance.
 
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gregh1 said:
Why do you say "tons"? I suspect IC, 247, WRAL, etc all have the same few sources.
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One piece of reporting that seems to be coming from non-UNC sources is that a number of assistants are attempting to line up new jobs at different schools by playoff time. So those reports would be coming from other schools and/or agents.
 
Ddseddse said:
You were an editor. You know how words work, and why you choose one word over the other. You know this.

The word "triggered" in this context is used to represent a binary on/off decision that is necessarily one-way and irreversible.

Did he exercise his option to leave the program by paying us a million dollars, or not? No. No he did not. Nothing was "triggered".

You know this, and yet you still used the word "triggered".

Because I know that you know the meaning of words and how to use words, you''ll excuse me if I don't believe that you are dealing in good faith here.

EDIT: The term of art you could have and should have used, but chose not to, is "floated the idea of" which more reliable narrators chose in this instance.
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I will be more succinct. I don't trust Ollie. When I read yesterday I was ready for BB to be fired. I thought he was credible. He ran with BS.
 
Calheel said:
Lots of coaches are fired after one year in the NFL, and seeing as how we are the 33rd NFL team, that seems like an appropriate comparison. Urban Meyer didn’t even make it through his one year in Jacksonville.

At the college level, several coaches have been fired right away, including George O’Leary and Mike Price. They didn’t even get to five games.

Edit - and as long as we are comparing this to past examples, can you tell me how many schools have hired a 73 year old coach? And should the age of a coach have an impact on a long term rebuild plan?

Second edit - the timing also must consider the current conference realignment dynamics and the importance of having a competent football program. We aren’t in a position to wait indefinitely for a rebuild at this precarious time. And making a decisive call right away and ponying up the buyout money shows that we are serious about football. Letting this clown show continue is not a good look for future SEC admittance.
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If he is fired, ok. I am pointing out that most coaches are given time to build. As I keep saying if a fraction of the stuff out there is true, bye BB.
 
heel79 said:
If he is fired, ok. I am pointing out that most coaches are given time to build. As I keep saying if a fraction of the stuff out there is true, bye BB.
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That used to be true. I think analytics have established that you’re better off firing a coach right away than waiting for a rebuild. Look at the Patriots this year as example No. 1 of fixing your coaching mistake and getting a competent replacement.

The days of waiting for a bad coach to turn into the next Dean Smith or Frank Beamer are no more.

Also, keep in mind that Belichick inherited a program that went to five straight bowls. It is not as though he inherited Central Florida.
 
Yeah, I'm not sold on that as a blanket rule, particularly with young coaches.
In a broad sense, think administrators can be too quick to fire coaches and don't really get at the root cause of issues.

In this particular case, he's not a young coach though he still has a learning curve going from pros to college. The red flags for me where the staff he assembled and running off so many players from the previous regime. If you had taken last year's team and took a targeted approach at a few units (QB, OL, DL?) instead of the massive turnover, you probably would've ended up with a better record this year while still charting a different course for the future.
 
CRHeel94 said:
Yeah, I'm not sold on that as a blanket rule, particularly with young coaches.
In a broad sense, think administrators can be too quick to fire coaches and don't really get at the root cause of issues.

In this particular case, he's not a young coach though he still has a learning curve going from pros to college. The red flags for me where the staff he assembled and running off so many players from the previous regime. If you had taken last year's team and took a targeted approach at a few units (QB, OL, DL?) instead of the massive turnover, you probably would've ended up with a better record this year while still charting a different course for the future.
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Given how poor the relationships are between coaches and players, I don’t think there is any scenario where this would have worked. It was star-crossed from the get go.
 
takingAdookie said:
Damn! I'm a hoe for the benjamins too, homie.
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ive never been so shocked. next paycheck say hey to your boss for me while you are giving him a reach around, homie

unc fans giving bubba a reach around is no different than maga texans giving gutless theodore cruz a reach around. i prefer men with character but no need to derail this thread any longer.
 
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Calheel said:
That used to be true. I think analytics have established that you’re better off firing a coach right away than waiting for a rebuild. Look at the Patriots this year as example No. 1 at fixing your coaching mistake and getting a competent replacement.

The days of waiting for a bad coach to turn into the next Dean Smith or Frank Beamer are no more.

Also, keep in mind that Belichick inherited a program that went to five straight bowls. It is not as though he inherited Central Florida.
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It’s like ripping a driver on a risk/reward short par 4 and landing behind a bunch of trees with a bad angle at the pin.

In hindsight, taking driver in hopes of an easy birdie or look at Eagle was a mistake, but if you just swallow your pride and chip out sideways, you can still give yourself a chance at limiting the damage to an up and down par or bogey. When you compound the mistake by going for an aggressive recovery shot that also goes awry and you’re still in a bad position, that’s when the really big number comes into play.
 
Milk and Cookies said:
One piece of reporting that seems to be coming from non-UNC sources is that a number of assistants are attempting to line up new jobs at different schools by playoff time. So those reports would be coming from other schools and/or agents.
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Good point. I guess we'll find out soon.

But to be honest, i HOPE, that offensive assistants are attempting to line up new jobs cuz BB is finally giving up on Freddie Kitchens. If a few offensive assistants are trying to line up new jobs then BB needs to be fired.

BB directly stated long ago it could take a year to figure out his staff (which is honest of him, but not confidence-inspiring), so i take this to mean he should be open to change sooner than later.
 
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