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Well, I usually watch the Head Coach's press conferences, including the one that recently was placed on line, (And the Kelly PC.)

This might be an unpopular position, but I have to assume that Bill B thinks that most of the press coverng his team are morons. They ask stupid questoins and they appear to be seeking quotes to fit short term articles rather than asking real questions,
Of course (also unpopular) I am positive that if Bill B paid any attention to social media, he would be positive that a huge portion of the more vocal fans on line really are stupid.

BB repeatedly spoke of his focus on the "process" and his conviction that individuals and groups are really improvng, even if that has not shown on the scoreboard. That seems sensible to me.

It simply makes sense that consistent IMPROVEMENT might not be reflected in the score. Until it is.

I hope that the team continues to imrpove.

I wish that fans paid attention to what he actually says,
 
Well, I usually watch the Head Coach's press conferences, including the one that recently was placed on line, (And the Kelly PC.)

This might be an unpopular position, but I have to assume that Bill B thinks that most of the press coverng his team are morons. They ask stupid questoins and they appear to be seeking quotes to fit short term articles rather than asking real questions,
Of course (also unpopular) I am positive that if Bill B paid any attention to social media, he would be positive that a huge portion of the more vocal fans on line really are stupid.

BB repeatedly spoke of his focus on the "process" and his conviction that individuals and groups are really improvng, even if that has not shown on the scoreboard. That seems sensible to me.

It simply makes sense that consistent IMPROVEMENT might not be reflected in the score. Until it is.

I hope that the team continues to imrpove.

I wish that fans paid attention to what he actually says,
What improvement have you seen? What positions or groups are better now than they were at the beginning of the season?
 
Well, I usually watch the Head Coach's press conferences, including the one that recently was placed on line, (And the Kelly PC.)

This might be an unpopular position, but I have to assume that Bill B thinks that most of the press coverng his team are morons. They ask stupid questoins and they appear to be seeking quotes to fit short term articles rather than asking real questions,
Of course (also unpopular) I am positive that if Bill B paid any attention to social media, he would be positive that a huge portion of the more vocal fans on line really are stupid.

BB repeatedly spoke of his focus on the "process" and his conviction that individuals and groups are really improvng, even if that has not shown on the scoreboard. That seems sensible to me.

It simply makes sense that consistent IMPROVEMENT might not be reflected in the score. Until it is.

I hope that the team continues to imrpove.

I wish that fans paid attention to what he actually says,
The team is getting worse every week.
 
What improvement have you seen? What positions or groups are better now than they were at the beginning of the season?
Right? It would be one thing if we were 2-3 but showing gradual improvement in some (or any!) areas. We are not. We are quite literally getting worse instead of getting better in every single facet of the game. We looked way worse against UCF than we did against TCU. We looked way worse against Clemson than we did against UCF. We even looked bad against UNC Charlotte and Richmond for heavens sake.
 
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who cares what a school or coach says in a pc.... they lie when they need to lie and tell the truth when they need to tell the truth. fans are so goddman dumb
 
What improvement have you seen? What positions or groups are better now than they were at the beginning of the season?
Well, over many PCs Bill B has said some version of each of these things:
  • In each play we have 11 guys involved, and various other variables. In watching the plays as they happen and then looking at the tape over and over again, it is possible to discern progress in the overall product, EVEN IF one guy screws up. Morevoer, even that one guy might reveal progress while still making a mistake.
  • In sum, progress is not really best measured by the scoreboard
Bill B tells me that he sees PROGRESS, with a clear process. That is something he can assess by looking at the games and by watching practce.

PERSONALLY, I think that Bill B pretty much tells the truth as he sees it.
I also think that he has far more access the the facts AND to his own store of knowledge So, when he sees progress I'm inclined to believe him

Moreover, I just have absolutely NO confidence inn the opinions of fans who believe that they know more than Bill B (or really any head coach,)
This season's team is limited by a roster. We knew that months ago.
Generally speaking, I think sports fans are unable to undersand any of the array of variables that affect events, And sports writers are not much better
 
Well, over many PCs Bill B has said some version of each of these things:
  • In each play we have 11 guys involved, and various other variables. In watching the plays as they happen and then looking at the tape over and over again, it is possible to discern progress in the overall product, EVEN IF one guy screws up. Morevoer, even that one guy might reveal progress while still making a mistake.
  • In sum, progress is not really best measured by the scoreboard
Bill B tells me that he sees PROGRESS, with a clear process. That is something he can assess by looking at the games and by watching practce.

PERSONALLY, I think that Bill B pretty much tells the truth as he sees it.
I also think that he has far more access the the facts AND to his own store of knowledge So, when he sees progress I'm inclined to believe him

Moreover, I just have absolutely NO confidence inn the opinions of fans who believe that they know more than Bill B (or really any head coach,)
This season's team is limited by a roster. We knew that months ago.
Generally speaking, I think sports fans are unable to undersand any of the array of variables that affect events, And sports writers are not much better
Few times have I agreed with something more. Forget BB, but I always thought it took an incredible amount of hubris to second guess coaches who are paid to coach, know the players, study film , blah blah blah. With BB though it is less second guessing (except for the QB situation) and more that his critics do not like him, his arrogance, his staff, how much he is being paid, etc.
 
Few times have I agreed with something more. Forget BB, but I always thought it took an incredible amount of hubris to second guess coaches who are paid to coach, know the players, study film , blah blah blah. With BB though it is less second guessing (except for the QB situation) and more that his critics do not like him, his arrogance, his staff, how much he is being paid, etc.
Yeah, that’s it! It’s that we all just have it out for Bill Belichick personally- has nothing at all to do with the fact that the football program we all love quite literally looks the *absolute worst it has ever looked* and is the literal laughingstock of all of college football right now under his leadership. We all just have personal axes to grind with Bill Belichick and we have all been secretly rooting for him to fail this whole entire time because none of us would have wanted the most accomplished NFL coach of all time to come have similar success at our beloved UNC.

I think the issue for you is that you seemingly believe that the role of a sports fan is to reflexively and unconditionally support whomever is the leader of the team, and that coaches are somehow infallible or unable to be questioned or second guessed because they must inherently know so much more than everyone else. I also think that you are purposefully digging in your heels on this topic because it’s one of those where you feel like it’s “heel79 vs. the ZZLP.” The issue in this particular case, though, is that at this point it’s essentially “heel79 vs. virtually the entire rest of the college football universe” because I’d estimate that something like 95% of knowledgeable observers believe this is whole thing is an unmistakable disaster.

I won’t presume to speak for others here, but I can assure you that for myself personally, there is absolutely nothing that would make me happier than to be as wrong as two left feet about this whole Belichick thing. Nothing would make me happier than for Bill to prove me wrong and get this whole situation turned around. It does not give me any pleasure or satisfaction whatsoever in any way to feel this way about our football program’s leadership.

If I’m wrong about Bill, then it means my football program is winning big. If I’m right about Bill, it means our football program is losing. I hope it’s very clear which one I’d prefer be the case. I’m hoping like hell they get it turned around, while simultaneously knowing that it seems increasingly unlikely that they will do so. Hence, my voicing my displeasure, disagreement, and disappointment for the way our program is being led.

Edited to add: To be totally clear, I’m not criticizing you for being a fan who steadfastly supports the head coach. You’re a great fan and a great supporter of UNC. I’m simply taking issue with the fact that you are seemingly of the belief that the rest of us who don’t like the job Belichick is doing, are somehow anti-Belichick personally or have an axe to grind, when the reality is that pretty much all of the empirical data and certainly all of the “eye test” indicate that this is a failure and getting worse, not better.
 
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Yeah, that’s it! It’s that we all just have it out for Bill Belichick personally- has nothing at all to do with the fact that the football program we all love quite literally looks the *absolute worst it has ever looked* and is the literal laughingstock of all of college football right now under his leadership. We all just have personal axes to grind with Bill Belichick and we have all been secretly rooting for him to fail this whole entire time because none of us would have wanted the most accomplished NFL coach of all time to come have similar success at our beloved UNC.

I think the issue for you is that you seemingly believe that the role of a sports fan is to reflexively and unconditionally support whomever is the leader of the team, and that coaches are somehow infallible or unable to be questioned or second guessed because they must inherently know so much more than everyone else. I also think that you are purposefully digging in your heels on this topic because it’s one of those where you feel like it’s “heel79 vs. the ZZLP.” The issue in this particular case, though, is that at this point it’s essentially “heel79 vs. virtually the entire rest of the college football universe” because I’d estimate that something like 95% of knowledgeable observers believe this is whole thing is an unmistakable disaster.

I won’t presume to speak for others here, but I can assure you that for myself personally, there is absolutely nothing that would make me happier than to be as wrong as two left feet about this whole Belichick thing. Nothing would make me happier than for Bill to prove me wrong and get this whole situation turned around. It does not give me any pleasure or satisfaction whatsoever in any way to feel this way about our football program’s leadership.

If I’m wrong about Bill, then it means my football program is winning big. If I’m right about Bill, it means our football program is losing. I hope it’s very clear which one I’d prefer be the case. I’m hoping like hell they get it turned around, while simultaneously knowing that it seems increasingly unlikely that they will do so. Hence, my voicing my displeasure, disagreement, and disappointment for the way our program is being led.

Edited to add: To be totally clear, I’m not criticizing you for being a fan who steadfastly supports the head coach. You’re a great fan and a great supporter of UNC. I’m simply taking issue with the fact that you are seemingly of the belief that the rest of us who don’t like the job Belichick is doing, are somehow anti-Belichick personally or have an axe to grind, when the reality is that pretty much all of the empirical data and certainly all of the “eye test” indicate that this is a failure and getting worse, not better.


I find it a wee bit interesting you quote me instead of Grubar, with whom I simply agreed and yes, added a little bit. I looked back at the beginning of this thread, looking mostly for those who cheered the hire but five games in have done a 180. What I found, however, was less that and more folks who did not like the hire because of who BB was. I have said before, I started liking BB before he was unc coach and after he was the Pats coach, when he became a regular on the Manning show, and his knowledge was on full display, but I also found him to not be without humor, capable of laughing at himself, etc.
Anyway, what I have said now for eight days is not that BB has my support unconditionally, but that I am willing to give him time to build a program. I am particularly happy to see that, base on IC reporting, behind the scenes he is acknowledging that some things need to be changed.
What I cautioned about was the reporting of the Raleigh media, and WRAL clearly is on a mission. I have said also that this has very little to do with BB and much more to do with UNC. Anyone watching their daily reporting at this point would have to agree it is excessive and over the top. The whole deal with the Caleb Hood retirement being a strong exhibit.
I support the coach of UNC teams, regardless of who they were. I supported Bunting too long, Fedora too long, perhaps BB too long, because I think I understand some of the challenges. Fedora his last year lost two games back to back that we were probably 1,000 to one to win with two minutes left, VPI and Syracuse. He also suffered a streak of like eight straight games where the other teams was not called for a holding penalty. So there are additional factors.

If anything has shown itself in the last week, it is that BB is all in, and he still has my support. I think I understand how we came to have this lack of talent. A buddy of mine every game says we suck at QB, Oline, Kitchens is terrible, we got no speed and no talent. But then he will say cannot believe the teams is this bad. Well he just explained it.

Recruiting is very good and I desperately want this class, with 10 4-stars, assembled in a rush with a limited staff, to remain intact.

Right now, we have BB working to build a program at UNC (yes, he made mistakes, and clearly the start is horrible), and Raleigh media doing what they do, working to destroy UNC athletics. And I see so many UNC fans cheering for what I would call the wrong team, sharing negative stories on social media, slurping up what supports their narrative, etc.
The proverbial circular firing squad.
I have no control. The powers that be will decide BB's fate, and as long as he is coach I will root for his success.
But as I said weeks ago, I had no idea that I had so many friends, etc., who know more about football than BB does. Some of them used to tell me Mack was soft, and apparently now BB is too mean.
 
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I am particularly happy to see that, base on IC reporting, behind the scenes he is acknowledging that some things need to be changed.
Where is that reporting about BB acknowledging he must change? Because this is IC reporting as of last night:

"It’s disingenuous, at best, for Belichick and Lombardi to refuse to acknowledge the shortcomings — their shortcomings — in the approach to the college landscape. Monday was a good chance to do that. Instead, Belichick spoke at his press conference of a team improving, for which fans have not yet seen any evidence, and Lombardi took it a giant step further on his radio show, claiming “really no missteps” and “outstanding” communication — which our sources, and our eyes, know isn’t true."
 
I find it a wee bit interesting you quote me instead of Grubar, with whom I simply agreed and yes, added a little bit. I looked back at the beginning of this thread, looking mostly for those who cheered the hire but five games in have done a 180. What I found, however, was less that and more folks who did not like the hire because of who BB was. I have said before, I started liking BB before he was unc coach and after he was the Pats coach, when he became a regular on the Manning show, and his knowledge was on full display, but I also found him to not be without humor, capable of laughing at himself, etc.
Anyway, what I have said now for eight days is not that BB has my support unconditionally, but that I am willing to give him time to build a program. I am particularly happy to see that, base on IC reporting, behind the scenes he is acknowledging that some things need to be changed.
What I cautioned about was the reporting of the Raleigh media, and WRAL clearly is on a mission. I have said also that this has very little to do with BB and much more to do with UNC. Anyone watching their daily reporting at this point would have to agree it is excessive and over the top. The whole deal with the Caleb Hood retirement being a strong exhibit.
I support the coach of UNC teams, regardless of who they were. I supported Bunting too long, Fedora too long, perhaps BB too long, because I think I understand some of the challenges. Fedora his last year lost two games back to back that we were probably 1,000 to one to win with two minutes left, VPI and Syracuse. He also suffered a streak of like eight straight games where the other teams was not called for a holding penalty. So there are additional factors.

If anything has shown itself in the last week, it is that BB is all in, and he still has my support. I think I understand how we came to have this lack of talent. A buddy of mine every game says we suck at QB, Oline, Kitchens is terrible, we got no speed and no talent. But then he will say cannot believe the teams is this bad. Well he just explained it.

Recruiting is very good and I desperately want this class, with 10 4-stars, assembled in a rush with a limited staff, to remain intact.

Right now, we have BB working to build a program at UNC (yes, he made mistakes, and clearly the start is horrible), and Raleigh media doing what they do, working to destroy UNC athletics. And I see so many UNC fans cheering for what I would call the wrong team, sharing negative stories on social media, slurping up what supports their narrative, etc.
The proverbial circular firing squad.
I have no control. The powers that be will decide BB's fate, and as long as he is coach I will root for his success.
But as I said weeks ago, I had no idea that I had so many friends, etc., who know more about football than BB does. Some of them used to tell me Mack was soft, and apparently now BB is too mean.

I just quoted you because you and I have been having an ongoing conversation on this thread. Everything that I wrote I could have just as easily directed at grubar, too. I just quoted yours because of my familiarity with you.

I definitely appreciate your perspective even if I don't agree with it. And as I say, I absolutely hope yours is the one that ultimately winds up being right and mine is the one that winds up wrong. I'll be the happiest man who ever ate crow, if that does come to pass. I would way rather Bill Belichick win big at North Carolina than for myself to be right.

Weirdly I actually have this really dumb gut feeling we are going to beat Cal. I'll certainly be cheering hard for us to do so.
 
Where is that reporting about BB acknowledging he must change? Because this is IC reporting as of last night:

"It’s disingenuous, at best, for Belichick and Lombardi to refuse to acknowledge the shortcomings — their shortcomings — in the approach to the college landscape. Monday was a good chance to do that. Instead, Belichick spoke at his press conference of a team improving, for which fans have not yet seen any evidence, and Lombardi took it a giant step further on his radio show, claiming “really no missteps” and “outstanding” communication — which our sources, and our eyes, know isn’t true."
Yes I read that. I read something Saturday morning that klled me to text some frat brothers a note saying I had read andl Ashley story saying there was a recognition of issues by BB but I did not include link. The story you pulled that from also said a need for change in that front had been conveyed to BB. That story also directly disputes WRAL reporting about chaos in the locker room, supporting my man asserting in all this about the Raleigh media.
 
cal is currently 78 and we are 103 so i expect it to be very very low on the tv interest list of anybody other than hopeful unc and cal fanatics
 
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