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Along with a couple others, William Boone, starting OT in first couple games of the year, prior to injury has left the team.
 
gregh1 said:
Something I hate about this ranking is that it puts no value on someone being winter vs spring. I think OL particularly are less helpful if they don't arrive til summer. I looked at teams who were starting OL transfers (and many are) and the vast majority were winter portal.
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Part of the difference between the winter portal transfers and the post-spring practice portal transfers is that a great many of the post-spring transfers weren’t starting at their previous school (might not even be in the 2-deep).
 
gregh1 said:
Not entirely. The culture of softness on the field that we've seen since Withers left won't change simply via getting wins.
2009 seemed tough, but they only won 8 games in 2008, 4 in 2007. So what made them tough?
We won 11 games with Marquise and I don't think that made Fed's trenches any less soft the next yr.
2022 we won the Coastal and 9 total games via Drake Maybe, but the next yr we still weren't a hard-nosed team.
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when i say win i mean beat good teams which we havent done in a long time. we've been feasting on cupcakes for many years which adds to the softness, but appeases the idiot unc fan. stop blowing tens of millions on coaches and buy the best players. people act as if coaching football takes more than half a brain. its still a simple line of scrimmage game mano y mano no matter how many analytics etc that nerds try to use. i dont expect our fanbase or admin to be smart enough to try something different even though what we have been doing does not and will not work at unc.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
when i say win i mean beat good teams which we havent done in a long time. we've been feasting on cupcakes for many years which adds to the softness, but appeases the idiot unc fan. stop blowing tens of millions on coaches and buy the best players. people act as if coaching football takes more than half a brain. its still a simple line of scrimmage game mano y mano no matter how many analytics etc that nerds try to use. i dont expect our fanbase or admin to be smart enough to try something different even though what we have been doing does not and will not work at unc.
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But to beat good teams we need to rid the culture of softness. Yes, that shouldn't require a 10 mil coach, but if it works then it is worth it.
 
gregh1 said:
But to beat good teams we need to rid the culture of softness. Yes, that shouldn't require a 10 mil coach, but if it works then it is worth it.
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do you not understand that we havent had a team in a very long time that could dominate the line of scrimmage? pay big money for the offensive and defensive linemen...not just one or two im talking 2 deep at every line position. the $20 mil we are wasting for staff would buy a lot of quality ol and dl. the los is where the toughness and winning begins everything else will fall into place. again i dont expect our fans or admin to have the foresight or smarts to grasp this simple concept of a simple game. the elite college teams have elite players therefore 'elite' coaches by default.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
do you not understand that we havent had a team in a very long time that could dominate the line of scrimmage? pay big money for the offensive and defensive linemen...not just one or two im talking 2 deep at every line position. the $20 mil we are wasting for staff would buy a lot of quality ol and dl. the los is where the toughness and winning begins everything else will fall into place. again i dont expect our fans or admin to have the foresight or smarts to grasp this simple concept of a simple game. the elite college teams have elite players therefore 'elite' coaches by default.
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Do you not understand that money alone doesn't make highly regarded lineman play consistently tough and hard-nosed?

I never stated that you don't need talent. I'm stating that talent alone will only you get you so far, and this program needs a softness/toughness reboot regardless of the talent.
 
My best friend coached HS foorball for 30 years and he always said the big uglies are either born tough or not. Not question that in the right type of Mack Brown country club environment that one could get lazy as we saw firsthand.
 
keywestheel said:
My best friend coached HS foorball for 30 years and he always said the big uglies are either born tough or not. Not question that in the right type of Mack Brown country club environment that one could get lazy as we saw firsthand.
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I think it is remarkable how many guys were so-so productivity-wise under Fed or Mack but wound up getting paid in the NFL. Either they're juicing pre-draft and thru camps, or they're getting better coaching, S&C, etc. NFL comes with financial motivation, but motive also general falls under the "coaching" category.

7 years since graduating, Jalen Dalton is STILL drawing an nfl paycheck (though practice squad only, but still). Guys like RJ Prince come to mind.

2022 had Sam Howell, Tomon, Asim Richards, Ezeudu, British Brooks and Kyler McMichael all as JUNIORS or older. Myles Murphy, Storm Duck, Josh Downs, Kaimon Rucker were soph. All are currently receiving salaries in the NFL. I know depth matters more than individual stars, but still. The NFL is littered with guys that weren't all that impactful at UNC.
 
gregh1 said:
I think it is remarkable how many guys were so-so productivity-wise under Fed or Mack but wound up getting paid in the NFL. Either they're juicing pre-draft and thru camps, or they're getting better coaching, S&C, etc. NFL comes with financial motivation, but motive also general falls under the "coaching" category.

7 years since graduating, Jalen Dalton is STILL drawing an nfl paycheck (though practice squad only, but still). Guys like RJ Prince come to mind.

2022 had Sam Howell, Tomon, Asim Richards, Ezeudu, British Brooks and Kyler McMichael all as JUNIORS or older. Myles Murphy, Storm Duck, Josh Downs, Kaimon Rucker were soph. All are currently receiving salaries in the NFL. I know depth matters more than individual stars, but still. There NFL is littered with guys that weren't all that impactful at UNC.
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We had talent on Mack’s teams, we just didn’t have great coaching.

Fedora had good talent (until QB the last 2 seasons) and good offensive coaching, but the defensive coaching was a mess.
 
gregh1 said:
I think it is remarkable how many guys were so-so productivity-wise under Fed or Mack but wound up getting paid in the NFL. Either they're juicing pre-draft and thru camps, or they're getting better coaching, S&C, etc. NFL comes with financial motivation, but motive also general falls under the "coaching" category.

7 years since graduating, Jalen Dalton is STILL drawing an nfl paycheck (though practice squad only, but still). Guys like RJ Prince come to mind.

2022 had Sam Howell, Tomon, Asim Richards, Ezeudu, British Brooks and Kyler McMichael all as JUNIORS or older. Myles Murphy, Storm Duck, Josh Downs, Kaimon Rucker were soph. All are currently receiving salaries in the NFL. I know depth matters more than individual stars, but still. The NFL is littered with guys that weren't all that impactful at UNC.
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maybe i'm misunderstanding your post but to say that Howell, Tomon Fox, Richards, Ezeudu, Duck, Downs, and Rucker "weren't all that impactful at UNC" is absolutely bonkers.
 
CFordUNC said:


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Wait, all the QBs available, or all of a subset of QBs? The first is just ridiculous. Surely, he meant all of a certain subset. I know that Kiper, McShay, and Riddick were not that high on Drake's arm, but compared to the other top prospects. Which I don't understand either.
 
WRAL doing documentary at end of football season on BB first year. Wonder why
 
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akillesheel said:
maybe i'm misunderstanding your post but to say that Howell, Tomon Fox, Richards, Ezeudu, Duck, Downs, and Rucker "weren't all that impactful at UNC" is absolutely bonkers.
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I think you misunderstood my post due to horrible writing on my part.

One thought, the 2022 team was loaded with players, some very good college players (Downs, Howell, Rucker obviously), but some so-so like Duck, Kyler McMichael, etc, but on the scoreboard the team underperformed relative to how many guys went on to be pros.

Different thought - there are tons of guys with stints in the pros who weren't that impactful. Like guys who weren't even honorable mention. And moreso their position groups were mediocre. Amari Gainer, Ritzie are guys more recent than Dalton or RJ Prince. And some was prob due to injury, I'm thinking of Ray Vohasek getting into the pros but being banged up his final yr.

Side note, tangent! - marcus Mckethan was a sr along with Ezeudu when Asim was a junior. How did that team give up so many sacks? We were in bottom 100 I think that yr.

I'm probably muddying the waters even more, but it feels like some soft culture might've prevented many of our guys from being more studly in college.
 
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