UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

[CFordUNC]

Since we’ve talked previously on this thread about what kind of NIL money we may be offering certain recruits versus our competitors, there was an interesting tidbit in the scoop Don Callahan posted this evening on IC. A four star prospect who is currently committed to an SEC school is rumored to be planning to flip to UNC on Wednesday, and Don’s reporting is that multiple sources say that UNC is offering this particular prospect a much larger NIL package — one the team to which the prospect is currently committed does not plan to match. It lends credence to my belief that we are attracting a sizable number of this 40-man high school class with more lucrative NIL offers than they are receiving elsewhere. Not that there is anything wrong with that by any means – good for the players and good for UNC for doing it. But I have a hunch that there is a decent number of folks in this class for whom that is true, and for whom UNC beat other P4 offers that did not feel the need to match.

 

[heel79]

Since we’ve talked previously on this thread about what kind of NIL money we may be offering certain recruits versus our competitors, there was an interesting tidbit in the scoop Don Callahan posted this evening on IC. A four star prospect who is currently committed to an SEC school is rumored to be planning to flip to UNC on Wednesday, and Don’s reporting is that multiple sources say that UNC is offering this particular prospect a much larger NIL package — one the team to which the prospect is currently committed does not plan to match. It lends credence to my belief that we are attracting a sizable number of this 40-man high school class with more lucrative NIL offers than they are receiving elsewhere. Not that there is anything wrong with that by any means – good for the players and good for UNC for doing it. But I have a hunch that there is a decent number of folks in this class for whom that is true, and for whom UNC beat other P4 offers that did not feel the need to match.

Trying to understand the point here.
Is it that we are over-paying recruits?
Is it an effort to diminish what appears to be a major recruiting win, what some are saying will be the plum of a very solid class?
A little of both?

I also wonder how multiple sources that IC would have would know what Texas is offering.
The player, Btw, is vodney Cleveland, DT, ranked no. 252 player at all positions by rivals.

 

[wmheel1287]

Trying to understand the point here.
Is it that we are over-paying recruits?
Is it an effort to diminish what appears to be a major recruiting win, what some are saying will be the plum of a very solid class?
A little of both?

I also wonder how multiple sources that IC would have would know what Texas is offering.
The player, Btw, is vodney Cleveland, DT, ranked no. 252 player at all positions by rivals.

I think the point is discussing the class and how it is being assembled. If NIL package is the deciding factor for many in the class, then that is something to weigh in evaluating how this staff is recruiting vs how another staff might recruit.

 

[heel79]

I think the point is discussing the class and how it is being assembled. If NIL package is the deciding factor for many in the class, then that is something to weigh in evaluating how this staff is recruiting vs how another staff might recruit.

Ok. Maybe the poster can weigh in. I ask bc during the game he kept talking about and mocking those folks who seem excited about recruiting using all caps often to make his point. Even offered an apology. Seemed strange.
I am glad we are doing what everyone is doing and that is anteing up. Also the team rankings and assigned NIL value, although no one really seems to understand it, at least suggests we are paying a lot less.

 

[stankeylegjones]

We'll know pretty soon if BB/Lombardi are having to overpay recruits to get them to come to UNC, as they won't have enough money left over to fill out the needs through the portal. (UNC is not spending near the same amount of money that many of the other top 25 programs are, or at least they didn't last year.) If they are having to overpay then it is not good, assuming that they must continue to overpay. Sherrell talked about the basketball team having to overpay due to the belief among recruits and agents that players are not developed under HD. I believe the reason that there's been a (few) missing pieces in roster construction lately is because of simply running out of money due to having to spend more than other schools on a player.

 

[heel79]

We'll know pretty soon if BB/Lombardi are having to overpay recruits to get them to come to UNC, as they won't have enough money left over to fill out the needs through the portal. (UNC is not spending near the same amount of money that many of the other top 25 programs are, or at least they didn't last year.) If they are having to overpay then it is not good, assuming that they must continue to overpay. Sherrell talked about the basketball team having to overpay due to the belief among recruits and agents that players are not developed under HD. I believe the reason that there's been a (few) missing pieces in roster construction lately is because of simply running out of money due to having to spend more than other schools on a player.

I asked questions on premium what nil value means. Hoping to get insight. We are at $35k. Close to bottom of top 25, with most over $100k and even $200k. But I have no idea what it means and I highly doubt it's accurate.

 

[stankeylegjones]

I asked questions on premium what nil value means. Hoping to get insight. We are at $35k. Close to bottom of top 25, with most over $100k and even $200k. But I have no idea what it means and I highly doubt it's accurate.

Yeah, I don't either. And, who knows if those numbers are even remotely close to accurate, from team to team. I think a better measure will be if BB/Lombardi can land impactful players from the portal. If they can't, given they're signing a lot of high-rated HS recruits, then I'd say the reason is because they don't have the money left over. (I am fully acknowledging that this viewpoint is probably not a very good one, I just don't really know any better.)

 

[heel79]

Yeah, I don't either. And, who knows if those numbers are even remotely close to accurate, from team to team. I think a better measure will be if BB/Lombardi can land impactful players from the portal. If they can't, given they're signing a lot of high-rated HS recruits, then I'd say the reason is because they don't have the money left over. (I am fully acknowledging that this viewpoint is probably not a very good one, I just don't really know any better.)

I don't either. I just found strange CFord post and the point. I hope we are being competitive in trying to land impact playersbeven if that means paying more. Mack did not have the money and there are a myriad of reasons for our horrible season but lack of talent is in mix. We need to fix that.

 

[stankeylegjones]

I don't either. I just found strange CFord post and the point. I hope we are being competitive in trying to land impact playersbeven if that means paying more. Mack did not have the money and there are a myriad of reasons for our horrible season but lack of talent is in mix. We need to fix that.

I definitely agree, we need talent, and a lot of it. I do think if they're having to overpay then it can be a problem. CFord is really good about coming back and explaining/answering questions of his posts, so I'm sure he'll be back to clarify.

 

[gregh1]

Huge positives to build upon:
- With no bowl game we have plenty of time to determine our portal needs and go tampering. Lombo probably convinced BB to throw the last few games just for this reason, like losing games to get that #1 pick in the draft. Brilliance.

- We have a ton of long FGs on film to show our kicker recruits

- Newkirk's 97.3 QBR for the game shows the strength of our ability to develop QBs.

- We held Hollywood Smothers to just 2.7 YPC - this staff proved they can shutdown one of the acc's best RB and FORCE ncsu to beat us left-handed.

- The staff showed that an unshifty strong safety can be our main pun returner the entire season and that just proves they are out of box thinkers.

 

[Calheel]

Ok. Maybe the poster can weigh in. I ask bc during the game he kept talking about and mocking those folks who seem excited about recruiting using all caps often to make his point. Even offered an apology. Seemed strange.
I am glad we are doing what everyone is doing and that is anteing up. Also the team rankings and assigned NIL value, although no one really seems to understand it, at least suggests we are paying a lot less.

Those On3 NIL values are completely worthless. Do not put any stock in them. They are based on a hypothetical value of what a player is worth. It is not based on any actual money being paid.

 

[heel79]

Those On3 NIL values are completely worthless. Do not put any stock in them. They are based on a hypothetical value of what a player is worth. It is not based on any actual money being paid.

Thx.

 

[wmheel1287]

Those On3 NIL values are completely worthless. Do not put any stock in them. They are based on a hypothetical value of what a player is worth. It is not based on any actual money being paid.

I have no idea about the values, but if that's what they are meant to be...would that mean whomever is assigning the values doesn't have a high opinion of some of the class?

 

[CFordUNC]

Trying to understand the point here.
Is it that we are over-paying recruits?
Is it an effort to diminish what appears to be a major recruiting win, what some are saying will be the plum of a very solid class?
A little of both?

I also wonder how multiple sources that IC would have would know what Texas is offering.
The player, Btw, is vodney Cleveland, DT, ranked no. 252 player at all positions by rivals.

I’m not “diminishing” anything. I feel like it’s pretty obvious what the point was. It’s that because in the new world where college athletes are paid professionals, recruiting has become more transactional than ever before, and if UNC (or any school) is offering a lot larger of a financial package to a particular prospect that the school to which the prospect is currently committed doesn’t have any interest in matching, it stands to reason that a key factor in why recruiting is going well (for any school, not just UNC) is that the school is offering more money.

 

[CFordUNC]

I definitely agree, we need talent, and a lot of it. I do think if they're having to overpay then it can be a problem. CFord is really good about coming back and explaining/answering questions of his posts, so I'm sure he'll be back to clarify.

Appreciate you, brother!

 

[CFordUNC]

I think the point is discussing the class and how it is being assembled. If NIL package is the deciding factor for many in the class, then that is something to weigh in evaluating how this staff is recruiting vs how another staff might recruit.

This is exactly the point that I was making. Thank you!

 

[CFordUNC]

Ok. Maybe the poster can weigh in. I ask bc during the game he kept talking about and mocking those folks who seem excited about recruiting using all caps often to make his point. Even offered an apology. Seemed strange.
I am glad we are doing what everyone is doing and that is anteing up. Also the team rankings and assigned NIL value, although no one really seems to understand it, at least suggests we are paying a lot less.

I’m sure you won’t believe me, but I wasn’t mocking you personally. I wasn’t even thinking of you. It was general mockery- while watching us get completely humiliated by yet another rival- of all of the excuse making and goal post shifting that has occurred in our fanbase over the last 11 months.

I’ve never told you or anyone else not to be excited about recruiting. I’ve never told you or anyone else to not try to find optimism or hopefulness in our current football situation (in fact I’ve repeatedly commended you for your glass half full stance). I’ve simply explained my personal belief that 1. recruiting is almost purely openly transactional now and fans of any school should temper their beliefs about how and why recruits are choosing their school, and 2. I think our strategy of overpaying high school recruits and bringing in a class of 40+ is a suspect strategy.

 

[GoHeelsweeeehoooo]

Regardless of what you think about the season and Belichick it looks like he's going to get at least another season - I'm hoping he and his staff have learned from their mistakes - on 24/7 there's a post from Andrew Jones stated that staff changes are coming with an emphasis on bringing in coaches with more experience in college - I'm hoping we are already targeting possible transfers and next year will be better

 

[CFordUNC]

Regardless of what you think about the season and Belichick it looks like he's going to get at least another season - I'm hoping he and his staff have learned from their mistakes - on 24/7 there's a post from Andrew Jones stated that staff changes are coming with an emphasis on bringing in coaches with more experience in college - I'm hoping we are already targeting possible transfers and next year will be better

Well said. The only remote prayer that this whole thing has of working is for Belichick to finally exhibit the type of humility and introspection that escaped him at the end of his New England Patriots days and to hire people who aren’t friends and family, people who will not just rubberstamp and yes man, people who have their own ideas and methods for how to coach and scheme and game plan specifically for the sport of college football and who will be allowed to implement those ideas and methods. If he does that, and if he is somehow able to regain his renowned ability to out game plan and out maneuver opponents, this thing can still work yet. UNC is not ever going to lack for being able to get talented players. The key is being able to have a staff that can effectively relate to them, teach them, motivate them, prepare them, instill discipline in them, hold them accountable, scheme and plan around their strengths and weaknesses, etc.

 

[heel79]

I’m sure you won’t believe me, but I wasn’t mocking you personally. I wasn’t even thinking of you. It was general mockery- while watching us get completely humiliated by yet another rival- of all of the excuse making and goal post shifting that has occurred in our fanbase over the last 11 months.

I’ve never told you or anyone else not to be excited about recruiting. I’ve never told you or anyone else to not try to find optimism or hopefulness in our current football situation (in fact I’ve repeatedly commended you for your glass half full stance). I’ve simply explained my personal belief that 1. recruiting is almost purely openly transactional now and fans of any school should temper their beliefs about how and why recruits are choosing their school, and 2. I think our strategy of overpaying high school recruits and bringing in a class of 40+ is a suspect strategy.

I didn't say you were mocking me although clearly I am excited about recruiting. I never post on game threads because emotions are high and I figured mocking people by using all caps and making them sound like Gomer Pyle was your way of coping. I saw you apologized so I guess you had a regret concerning it. As for the NIL value I believe the info here is correct and my guess is that the largeness of our class and perhaps a bunch of recruits getting little or zero nil brings ours down. It is confusing to me why the nil value is needed as it is basically just another ranking system and that is already provided for with stars and ratings. Regardless there is an effort by the anti-BB crowd on IC to diminish the recruiting efforts and among some almost a desire to see the class fall apart. If you look back on this thread there is some of that. It is possible to not like BB, want him gone etc. And be thankful that some good HS recruits want to come to UNC for whatever reason.