UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

[CFordUNC]

I also must confess that I am more than a little concerned by the fact that for almost all of our highest rated recruits for whose services we beat out or outright flipped from traditional recruiting powers like Ohio State, Texas, Florida State, Miami, Penn State, etc., those schools reportedly did not try to match our financial offers.

Take Vodney Cleveland for example. The ninth ranked player in the state of Alabama, a DL which is a position that nobody can ever have enough of, was not coveted by Alabama or Auburn? What’s going on there? And he wasn’t coveted enough by Texas to try to match our offer? These are the things that I truly do not understand about modern recruiting. Maybe it’s nothing. Maybe it’s something.

 

[heel79]

Ok. Check this out. South Carolina has 15 recruits. Ten 4 star. Five 3 star. Class is ranked 15th. We are 18th by rivals. 3 behind. We also have ten 4 stars and 30 3 stars. Clearly those additional 25 3 stars aren't moving needle much.

 

[CFordUNC]

Ok. Check this out. South Carolina has 15 recruits. Ten 4 star. Five 3 star. Class is ranked 15th. We are 18th by rivals. 3 behind. We also have ten 4 stars and 30 3 stars. Clearly those additional 25 3 stars aren't moving needle much.

Good observation. I hadn’t thought of it that way. I reckon the class rating is primarily influenced by your highest rated players. That’s good to know.

Also, that’s wild that both North Carolina and South Carolina were able to each land classes like that off of 4-8 records and with both coaches facing probable “must win” seasons next fall.

 

[mpaer]

I.

Take Vodney Cleveland for example. The ninth ranked player in the state of Alabama, a DL which is a position that nobody can ever have enough of, was not coveted by Alabama or Auburn? What’s going on there? And he wasn’t coveted enough by Texas to try to match our offer? These are the things that I truly do not understand about modern recruiting. Maybe it’s nothing. Maybe it’s something.

My memory (lollol) from ON3 Alabama and Auburn offered .Texas outbid them
We outbid Texas
He was higher priority for us then them?

 

[1moretimeagain]

Ok. Check this out. South Carolina has 15 recruits. Ten 4 star. Five 3 star. Class is ranked 15th. We are 18th by rivals. 3 behind. We also have ten 4 stars and 30 3 stars. Clearly those additional 25 3 stars aren't moving needle much.

3 star is nearly an all-inclusive designation, it’s a huge group of players. You’d have to look at the more granular ratings. SCAR is #9 in average player rating on the 247 Composite, UNC is #23.

 

[heel79]

3 star is nearly an all-inclusive designation, it’s a huge group of players. You’d have to look at the more granular ratings. SCAR is #9 in average player rating on the 247 Composite, UNC is #23.

Thanks. I kinda knew that. Obviously staff took some lower ranked 3s that hurt average rating and did little to push us up rankings..perhaps these are 3 and 4 year players who will be developed and can help in couple or three years.

 

[akillesheel]

Good observation. I hadn’t thought of it that way. I reckon the class rating is primarily influenced by your highest rated players. That’s good to know.

Also, that’s wild that both North Carolina and South Carolina were able to each land classes like that off of 4-8 records and with both coaches facing probable “must win” seasons next fall.

been true for a while that recruits don't care about one season's W-L. it's a pretty easy sell for a coach to say "we just didn't have you yet!" once you've stacked bad seasons, then it becomes an issue.

 

[akillesheel]

Ok. Check this out. South Carolina has 15 recruits. Ten 4 star. Five 3 star. Class is ranked 15th. We are 18th by rivals. 3 behind. We also have ten 4 stars and 30 3 stars. Clearly those additional 25 3 stars aren't moving needle much.

247 has a class calculator. If you calculate UNC's class with just its top 15, its rank moves from 17th to 27th.

 

[SmilingJack]

Man personally I’d think that the money involved would net a better return? I don’t think even as diehard as H79 is he’d have invested this much in a maybe!?!

 

[mpaer]

Man personally I’d think that the money involved would net a better return? I don’t think even as diehard as H79 is he’d have invested this much in a maybe!?!

I don't know the money involved
But I would guess we are at about 20
With 5-10 blowing us away

 

[gregh1]

We'll be adding some seniors in the portal, and we could still lose some current guys, but at present this team has just 7 seniors. Yikes.

Mims
Melkhart
Isaiah Johnson
Jake Johnson (who I hope we keep since he's a good route runner with good hands)
Kaleb Cost
Coleman Bryson
Horvath (Punter)

 

[Zoo_View]

It definitely does influence the class ranking to a certain extent, no doubt about it, but in the aggregate I do think this is a pretty solid recruiting class, even by the typical UNC standards. I think by average star rating we are something in the mid 20s? Somebody can correct me if that’s wrong.

I think Don said that this class would probably be the third or fourth overall best recruiting class in the modern recruiting era since 1999 for UNC. I think Butch Davis had two classes and Mack Brown 2.0 had one class that would have been considered better.

I look at recruiting classes this way:

• When LeBron James was a HS SO, he was the best player in HS. Whoever was the top-ranked SR that year was there with a HUGE asterisk. The classes after LeBron? Who cares that you were ranked #1? LeBron was the best player for years.
• When Michael Phelps (b. 1985) and Ryan Lochte (b. 1984) were dominating international swimming, did it matter who was ranked #1 in the 3-5 classes that preceded them or the 3-5 classes after? No.
• Rarely is a #1 ranked recruit an all-time great.
• It’s a huge bell curve and it crosses years.
• 18 year-old males……some stay that size……some grow….A LOT….some mature mentally and emotionally, some don’t…….
• College football given the number of players? Recruiting is a CRAP SHOOT. Trying to pencil in players at #1. Difficult. Trying to pencil in the #50 player and differentiate him from #40 or #150 is laughable.
• It’s easy when a LeBron James or Michael Phelps is in the class.

 

[Zoo_View]

It definitely does influence the class ranking to a certain extent, no doubt about it, but in the aggregate I do think this is a pretty solid recruiting class, even by the typical UNC standards. I think by average star rating we are something in the mid 20s? Somebody can correct me if that’s wrong.

I think Don said that this class would probably be the third or fourth overall best recruiting class in the modern recruiting era since 1999 for UNC. I think Butch Davis had two classes and Mack Brown 2.0 had one class that would have been considered better.

So, we haven’t won shit since 1999 (sorry, a Coastal “title” and a BS appearance in the Orange Bowl don’t count).

Let me know when this class wins and then wins something that matters.

 

[gregh1]

All this HS recruiting talk is meaningless if the team next fall in Ireland doesn't look much better than the one in the final three games of this yr. More disciplined, fewer questionable coaching decisions, better play calls (in all 3 phases), better execution. That is going to require an outstanding portal job on offense players, a competent job on a few defenders and a new OC.

It's gonna be a looooong month of waiting for the portal additions. Are there any insider guesses for OC yet?

 

[Zoo_View]

All this HS recruiting talk is meaningless if the team next fall in Ireland doesn't look much better than the one in the final three games of this yr. More disciplined, fewer questionable coaching decisions, better play calls (in all 3 phases), better execution. That is going to require an outstanding portal job on offense players, a competent job on a few defenders and a new OC.

It's gonna be a looooong month of waiting for the portal additions. Are there any insider guesses for OC yet?

Tomorrow is the day after the early signing period.

It’s the day to fire sub-par assistant coaches and staffers.

It’s the day to hear that Kitchens is gone. Most programs would jettison others (anyone named Lombardi).

Will we hear of any departures?