UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

[CFordUNC]

I also must confess that I am more than a little concerned by the fact that for almost all of our highest rated recruits for whose services we beat out or outright flipped from traditional recruiting powers like Ohio State, Texas, Florida State, Miami, Penn State, etc., those schools reportedly did not try to match our financial offers.

Take Vodney Cleveland for example. The ninth ranked player in the state of Alabama, a DL which is a position that nobody can ever have enough of, was not coveted by Alabama or Auburn? What’s going on there? And he wasn’t coveted enough by Texas to try to match our offer? These are the things that I truly do not understand about modern recruiting. Maybe it’s nothing. Maybe it’s something.

 

[heel79]

Ok. Check this out. South Carolina has 15 recruits. Ten 4 star. Five 3 star. Class is ranked 15th. We are 18th by rivals. 3 behind. We also have ten 4 stars and 30 3 stars. Clearly those additional 25 3 stars aren't moving needle much.

 

[CFordUNC]

Ok. Check this out. South Carolina has 15 recruits. Ten 4 star. Five 3 star. Class is ranked 15th. We are 18th by rivals. 3 behind. We also have ten 4 stars and 30 3 stars. Clearly those additional 25 3 stars aren't moving needle much.

Good observation. I hadn’t thought of it that way. I reckon the class rating is primarily influenced by your highest rated players. That’s good to know.

Also, that’s wild that both North Carolina and South Carolina were able to each land classes like that off of 4-8 records and with both coaches facing probable “must win” seasons next fall.

 

[mpaer]

I.

Take Vodney Cleveland for example. The ninth ranked player in the state of Alabama, a DL which is a position that nobody can ever have enough of, was not coveted by Alabama or Auburn? What’s going on there? And he wasn’t coveted enough by Texas to try to match our offer? These are the things that I truly do not understand about modern recruiting. Maybe it’s nothing. Maybe it’s something.

My memory (lollol) from ON3 Alabama and Auburn offered .Texas outbid them
We outbid Texas
He was higher priority for us then them?

 

[1moretimeagain]

Ok. Check this out. South Carolina has 15 recruits. Ten 4 star. Five 3 star. Class is ranked 15th. We are 18th by rivals. 3 behind. We also have ten 4 stars and 30 3 stars. Clearly those additional 25 3 stars aren't moving needle much.

3 star is nearly an all-inclusive designation, it’s a huge group of players. You’d have to look at the more granular ratings. SCAR is #9 in average player rating on the 247 Composite, UNC is #23.

 

[heel79]

3 star is nearly an all-inclusive designation, it’s a huge group of players. You’d have to look at the more granular ratings. SCAR is #9 in average player rating on the 247 Composite, UNC is #23.

Thanks. I kinda knew that. Obviously staff took some lower ranked 3s that hurt average rating and did little to push us up rankings..perhaps these are 3 and 4 year players who will be developed and can help in couple or three years.

 

[akillesheel]

Good observation. I hadn’t thought of it that way. I reckon the class rating is primarily influenced by your highest rated players. That’s good to know.

Also, that’s wild that both North Carolina and South Carolina were able to each land classes like that off of 4-8 records and with both coaches facing probable “must win” seasons next fall.

been true for a while that recruits don't care about one season's W-L. it's a pretty easy sell for a coach to say "we just didn't have you yet!" once you've stacked bad seasons, then it becomes an issue.

 

[akillesheel]

Ok. Check this out. South Carolina has 15 recruits. Ten 4 star. Five 3 star. Class is ranked 15th. We are 18th by rivals. 3 behind. We also have ten 4 stars and 30 3 stars. Clearly those additional 25 3 stars aren't moving needle much.

247 has a class calculator. If you calculate UNC's class with just its top 15, its rank moves from 17th to 27th.

 

[SmilingJack]

Man personally I’d think that the money involved would net a better return? I don’t think even as diehard as H79 is he’d have invested this much in a maybe!?!

 

[mpaer]

Man personally I’d think that the money involved would net a better return? I don’t think even as diehard as H79 is he’d have invested this much in a maybe!?!

I don't know the money involved
But I would guess we are at about 20
With 5-10 blowing us away

 

[gregh1]

We'll be adding some seniors in the portal, and we could still lose some current guys, but at present this team has just 7 seniors. Yikes.

Mims
Melkhart
Isaiah Johnson
Jake Johnson (who I hope we keep since he's a good route runner with good hands)
Kaleb Cost
Coleman Bryson
Horvath (Punter)

 

[Zoo_View]

It definitely does influence the class ranking to a certain extent, no doubt about it, but in the aggregate I do think this is a pretty solid recruiting class, even by the typical UNC standards. I think by average star rating we are something in the mid 20s? Somebody can correct me if that’s wrong.

I think Don said that this class would probably be the third or fourth overall best recruiting class in the modern recruiting era since 1999 for UNC. I think Butch Davis had two classes and Mack Brown 2.0 had one class that would have been considered better.

I look at recruiting classes this way:

• When LeBron James was a HS SO, he was the best player in HS. Whoever was the top-ranked SR that year was there with a HUGE asterisk. The classes after LeBron? Who cares that you were ranked #1? LeBron was the best player for years.
• When Michael Phelps (b. 1985) and Ryan Lochte (b. 1984) were dominating international swimming, did it matter who was ranked #1 in the 3-5 classes that preceded them or the 3-5 classes after? No.
• Rarely is a #1 ranked recruit an all-time great.
• It’s a huge bell curve and it crosses years.
• 18 year-old males……some stay that size……some grow….A LOT….some mature mentally and emotionally, some don’t…….
• College football given the number of players? Recruiting is a CRAP SHOOT. Trying to pencil in players at #1. Difficult. Trying to pencil in the #50 player and differentiate him from #40 or #150 is laughable.
• It’s easy when a LeBron James or Michael Phelps is in the class.

 

[Zoo_View]

It definitely does influence the class ranking to a certain extent, no doubt about it, but in the aggregate I do think this is a pretty solid recruiting class, even by the typical UNC standards. I think by average star rating we are something in the mid 20s? Somebody can correct me if that’s wrong.

I think Don said that this class would probably be the third or fourth overall best recruiting class in the modern recruiting era since 1999 for UNC. I think Butch Davis had two classes and Mack Brown 2.0 had one class that would have been considered better.

So, we haven’t won shit since 1999 (sorry, a Coastal “title” and a BS appearance in the Orange Bowl don’t count).

Let me know when this class wins and then wins something that matters.

 

[gregh1]

All this HS recruiting talk is meaningless if the team next fall in Ireland doesn't look much better than the one in the final three games of this yr. More disciplined, fewer questionable coaching decisions, better play calls (in all 3 phases), better execution. That is going to require an outstanding portal job on offense players, a competent job on a few defenders and a new OC.

It's gonna be a looooong month of waiting for the portal additions. Are there any insider guesses for OC yet?

 

[Zoo_View]

All this HS recruiting talk is meaningless if the team next fall in Ireland doesn't look much better than the one in the final three games of this yr. More disciplined, fewer questionable coaching decisions, better play calls (in all 3 phases), better execution. That is going to require an outstanding portal job on offense players, a competent job on a few defenders and a new OC.

It's gonna be a looooong month of waiting for the portal additions. Are there any insider guesses for OC yet?

Tomorrow is the day after the early signing period.

It’s the day to fire sub-par assistant coaches and staffers.

It’s the day to hear that Kitchens is gone. Most programs would jettison others (anyone named Lombardi).

Will we hear of any departures?

 

[heel79]

Man personally I’d think that the money involved would net a better return? I don’t think even as diehard as H79 is he’d have invested this much in a maybe!?!

Lot of talk about money being spent. I am 68 and have been UNC football fan since I saw don McCauley run over dook defenders. Pretty much that entire time the biggest complaint was we were not committed to football financially. Then we fork out bi dollars for arguably the best coach of all time, money pours in, and we suck bad in the field. BTW, a person is paid for what they have done not what they will do. In that regard BB in line. Lombo,maybe not so much. Lombo apparently is also very good at raising money. Did it affect me? Yes, I paid a little more for eight season tix. The $13 Bud Light save me money as I now watch games sober, a bad year to debut that strategy. Also I find funny that mack was too nice and BB is too mean. Anyhow, while I am seen here as a BB apologist what I actually am is someone who wants to see this deal get a chance to succeed. If BB were fired tomorrow he will have left us a hell of a foundation with this class and finagled a commitment out of the administration..he did it with strong headwinds by the media (did anyone read DeCock's shrill masterpiece, his ability to predict the future, a composition assembled while he was seething over BBs 4 minute PC?) and folks working on the inside to take him down. This may not work. But we are beyond the point of turning around. No coachee out there and not sure many want to go to a school that fires the guy with 8 rings after 12 games.

 

[wmheel1287]

Lot of talk about money being spent. I am 68 and have been UNC football fan since I saw don McCauley run over dook defenders. Pretty much that entire time the biggest complaint was we were not committed to football financially. Then we fork out bi dollars for arguably the best coach of all time, money pours in, and we suck bad in the field. BTW, a person is paid for what they have done not what they will do. In that regard BB in line. Lombo,maybe not so much. Lombo apparently is also very good at raising money. Did it affect me? Yes, I paid a little more for eight season tix. The $13 Bud Light save me money as I now watch games sober, a bad year to debut that strategy. Also I find funny that mack was too nice and BB is too mean. Anyhow, while I am seen here as a BB apologist what I actually am is someone who wants to see this deal get a chance to succeed. If BB were fired tomorrow he will have left us a hell of a foundation with this class and finagled a commitment out of the administration..he did it with strong headwinds by the media (did anyone read DeCock's shrill masterpiece, his ability to predict the future, a composition assembled while he was seething over BBs 4 minute PC?) and folks working on the inside to take him down. This may not work. But we are beyond the point of turning around. No coachee out there and not sure many want to go to a school that fires the guy with 8 rings after 12 games.

I appreciate the post but I think it is rooted in a lot of ideas that were true in the past but not necessarily true now.

1. I dont think the financial commitment made here is durable. The people who made it made a power/ego play. They are not vested in UNC football. Lee Roberts doesn't care if we ever win. He cares about personally showing he runs the university. Mission accomplished. He won't be involved moving forward. He won't take responsibility if it doesn't work and he definitely won't commit financially.

2. Recruiting (whether high school or portal) is entirely transactional and annual now. The next coach will have no more of a basis than BB did when he entered. The entire roster is reassembled annually in all but a few programs and we ain't one of those.

3. To the extent people are working from inside to bring him down, that is something BB should work to fix on his own. Doherty had the same and it was all Matt. The problem was not those inside. The problem was Matt.

 

[heel79]

I appreciate the post but I think it is rooted in a lot of ideas that were true in the past but not necessarily true now.

1. I dont think the financial commitment made here is durable. The people who made it made a power/ego play. They are not vested in UNC football. Lee Roberts doesn't care if we ever win. He cares about personally showing he runs the university. Mission accomplished. He won't be involved moving forward. He won't take responsibility if it doesn't work and he definitely won't commit financially.

2. Recruiting (whether high school or portal) is entirely transactional and annual now. The next coach will have no more of a basis than BB did when he entered. The entire roster is reassembled annually in all but a few programs and we ain't one of those.

3. To the extent people are working from inside to bring him down, that is something BB should work to fix on his own. Doherty had the same and it was all Matt. The problem was not those inside. The problem was Matt.

I know you do more than your share and are well connected but I swear the UNC fans I know, and there are a bunch, don't share the angst I see in this board. Disappointed? Yep. But willing to see this through. As for the money, I think as long as we show progress in recruiting and on the field it will not dry up. So I guess we will see.

 

[mpaer]

1. I dont think the financial commitment made here is durable. The people who made it made a power/ego play. They are not vested in UNC football. Lee Roberts doesn't care if we ever win.

I am so rich and cool I bought Bill Belichick as "my" coach
I am hot stuff

 

[farce©]

When next season is over, will it be fair to straight up compare the 2026 season results of UNC/Belichick to VaTech/Franklin?