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donbosco said:
Trimble Expected Back.

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UNC Expects Seth Trimble’s Return from Injury Against SMU

The guard has missed three games due to an upper-body injury, and hasn’t played since the Tar Heels overcome UCLA before Christmas.
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I can see bringing Seth in off the bench to start with his first game back. Ease him in a little slowly. Maybe 20 minutes of action tonight, maybe more depending on how he’s feeling and how things are going for him and the team.

If Hubert starts Seth tonight, who sits? Ian? He of the 4 straight 20+ pt games? To me that would be silly. “Hey thanks for filling in as a starter Ian… but you ain’t Wally Pipping Seth, even if you are good for 25 pts a game. Have a seat son, we’ll work you in after the first TV timeout.”

I still say if Elliot can’t defend the taller guards and if he hasn’t tamed the turnover beast, then start RJ at point. Seth and Ian at 2/3.

It’s either that or go 4 guards (starting Elliot, RJ, Seth and Ian) and one forward.

What’s your starting line up, assuming Seth is 100% and Ian continues his epic scoring streak?
 
Centerpiece said:
I can see bringing Seth in off the bench to start with his first game back. Ease him in a little slowly. Maybe 20 minutes of action tonight, maybe more depending on how he’s feeling and how things are going for him and the team.

If Hubert starts Seth tonight, who sits? Ian? He of the 4 straight 20+ pt games? To me that would be silly. “Hey thanks for filling in as a starter Ian… but you ain’t Wally Pipping Seth, even if you are good for 25 pts a game. Have a seat son, we’ll work you in after the first TV timeout.”

I still say if Elliot can’t defend the taller guards and if he hasn’t tamed the turnover beast, then start RJ at point. Seth and Ian at 2/3.

It’s either that or go 4 guards (starting Elliot, RJ, Seth and Ian) and one forward.

What’s your starting line up, assuming Seth is 100% and Ian continues his epic scoring streak?
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I guess Cadeau, RJ, Trimble, Jackson and Washington/Lubin. But I also wouldn't mind RJ, Trimble, Jackson, Powell and Washington/Lubin.

I think the main 7 should be Cadeau, RJ, Trimble, Jackson, Powell, Washington and Lubin. I don't think Withers and Tyson should be used as much as they have been.
 
Elliot’s not going to the bench…

Pull him if he starts slow or is ineffective but this team can’t afford not to start their best playmaker

Seth or Drake off the bench
 
Heelsandeers said:
Elliot’s not going to the bench…

Pull him if he starts slow or is ineffective but this team can’t afford not to start their best playmaker

Seth or Drake off the bench
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I agree that Cadeau will continue to start. It would be very unconventional to start Jackson, Cadeau, Davis, Trimble, & Powell and I think there might be a situation where that could happen but as a rule I think the one to sit has to be Powell and in the "pivot" it has to be Washington to start.
 
Heelsandeers said:
Elliot’s not going to the bench…

Pull him if he starts slow or is ineffective but this team can’t afford not to start their best playmaker

Seth or Drake off the bench
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I would agree - at least for tonight, and maybe the next game, until Seth is 100% back. What if he gets back to 100% and playing like he did at the beginning of the year - how do you not start him? If Ian continues to score 25 points a game, how do you not start him?

Scoring is not a problem. Defense is. Seth starts no matter what - if he is 100% healthy - just because of his defense.

I can see Hubert giving the start Eliot and bringing Ian off the bench for instant offense.
 
donbosco said:
I agree that Cadeau will continue to start. It would be very unconventional to start Jackson, Cadeau, Davis, Trimble, & Powell and I think there might be a situation where that could happen but as a rule I think the one to sit has to be Powell and in the "pivot" it has to be Washington to start.
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So four guards and one forward.
 
Centerpiece said:
So four guards and one forward.
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We don't really have a 'start-able' center (could we call James Brown one perhaps?). But Washington has good reach (he blocked 5 shots against Notre Dame) and has begun to shake off his weak early start (IMO). I hate to sit Powell but as I wrote, he could cause match-up problems as the first man off the bench for one of the four guards. Lubin would be first sub in for Washington. I'd like to see Claude given some opportunities...he's the toughest guy we have, goes after rebounds harder than anyone, and gets off the floor with quickness.
 
donbosco said:
We don't really have a 'start-able' center (could we call James Brown one perhaps?). But Washington has good reach (he blocked 5 shots against Notre Dame) and has begun to shake off his weak early start (IMO). I hate to sit Powell but as I wrote, he could cause match-up problems as the first man off the bench for one of the four guards. Lubin would be first sub in for Washington. I'd like to see Claude given some opportunities...he's the toughest guy we have, goes after rebounds harder than anyone, and gets off the floor with quickness.
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No ritmos for tonight? I didn’t see it
 
donbosco said:
I'd like to see Claude given some opportunities...he's the toughest guy we have, goes after rebounds harder than anyone, and gets off the floor with quickness.
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I like Claude’s mindset, he seems to have a toughness and grit that’s often lacking elsewhere.

But somebody needs to teach him to keep his hands to himself. Any time he sets a screen he pushes off and extends his arms as he rolls. And when he’s guarding he’s also too handsy on that side of the ball.
 
Centerpiece said:
I would agree - at least for tonight, and maybe the next game, until Seth is 100% back. What if he gets back to 100% and playing like he did at the beginning of the year - how do you not start him? If Ian continues to score 25 points a game, how do you not start him?
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Ian continues to start, no question about it imo. Unless you start the 4 guard lineup, I think you have to bring Seth off the bench. He was great in that role last season if you recall

Centerpiece said:
Scoring is not a problem. Defense is. Seth starts no matter what - if he is 100% healthy - just because of his defense.
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I don't think this is true. The offense goes through plenty of long stretches where they struggle

Slow starts were a major problem for most of the year with Seth in the starting lineup (not saying it was because of Seth necessarily). As of now the UNC offense rates 26th on Kenpom, which flat out isn't good enough given the limitations on the other end

Imo the biggest untapped potential still (other than RJ making shots) is Elliot getting into rhythm, taking care of the ball, and looking to be aggressive as a scorer. Likely not going to happen coming off the bench, something he hasn't done since early as a freshman

Of course the defense as a unit is considerably worse and Seth helps a lot there. But he alone won't solve this team's defensive issues, where as Elliot playing at a higher level could potentially "unlock" the offense
 
Heelsandeers said:
Ian continues to start, no question about it imo. Unless you start the 4 guard lineup, I think you have to bring Seth off the bench. He was great in that role last season if you recall



I don't think this is true. The offense goes through plenty of long stretches where they struggle

Slow starts were a major problem for most of the year with Seth in the starting lineup (not saying it was because of Seth necessarily). As of now the UNC offense rates 26th on Kenpom, which flat out isn't good enough given the limitations on the other end

Imo the biggest untapped potential still (other than RJ making shots) is Elliot getting into rhythm, taking care of the ball, and looking to be aggressive as a scorer. Likely not going to happen coming off the bench, something he hasn't done since early as a freshman

Of course the defense as a unit is considerably worse and Seth helps a lot there. But he alone won't solve this team's defensive issues, where as Elliot playing at a higher level could potentially "unlock" the offense
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Duly noted. And I hear you. But will disagree. The numbers indicate we can score. But we can't rebound or keep the other team from scoring. Honestly, we need Seth, and what he brings athletically on defense, rebounding and scoring. He's the closest we have to a complete player on O and D - when he is healthy. Elliot is THE MAN at running point - as long as he isn't turning the ball over. (Sorry, 40 TO's in the first 12 games ain't going away from his stats). Ian's 4 games in a row at 25 ppg ain't going away either. But RJ can give the team some point guard skills (he's done that before too), experience, scoring, better D on the other team's guards (see: experience), intangibles (coach on the floor/experience). Sorry. In crunch time, if we need a stop, rebounding and the possibility of scoring I'll take Seth, RJ and Ian. Plus whatever "bigs" (I use " " for a reason) we have who best fits the game at the time.
 
What happens when Seth is locking his man down but someone else’s man scores every time down the floor? Lol

I hear you also though, Seth can definitely help to set the tone defensively for the team. But I just don’t think he has the same impact that a defensive big would

Regardless, both have to play a lot and I think they can find some success with the 4 guard lineup
 
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