UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

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Hubert didn't leave the broadcast booth and immediately become head coach at UNC. He was hired by Roy in 2012 and was an assistant. He has been present for the seismic change in college basketball over the past ten years that was a big factor in Roy retiring. He knew what the deal was.
 
superrific said:
That's fine. I didn't parse the comment very closely; it was only a social media comment (IIRC without looking back); and it doesn't matter that much. You're welcome for the clarification.

I guess part of my approach is that I am exceedingly reluctant to harsh on a great Heel. We can simultaneously think that maybe HD isn't the right guy for the job right now, and also that he is a good coach and a good person (and of course, I am not remotely the only person to think so; this is a common though far from universal sentiment).

Matt Doherty was different. He had been a great Heel as a player, but he turned out to be a mega-asshole as a coach (and possibly more). I didn't have an issue with jettisoning him. HD doesn't present anything like that.
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I agree, and I don't think anyone was/is being harsh on HD. Are you seeing harshness on this board?
 
Bigs23 said:
They do look a lot better when they go in.
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Good shots are not the same as made shots. A wide open shot, from a player that has the ability to make the shot, is a good shot, regardless of the outcome of the shot. That is a basic principle of basketball, from pee wee up to the NBA.

Of course everything looks better when it goes in, but that is an outcome that occurs after a shot, be it a good one, bad one, or other.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Good shots are not the same as made shots. A wide open shot, from a player that has the ability to make the shot, is a good shot, regardless of the outcome of the shot. That is a basic principle of basketball, from pee wee up to the NBA.

Of course everything looks better when it goes in, but that is an outcome that occurs after a shot, be it a good one, bad one, or other.
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Yep. The Heels missed a lot of good looks last night.
 
Peppers49 said:
I’ll be honest, I wasn’t a fan of the way UNC hired Hubert in 2021. I get that it’s what Roy wanted and he earned the right to have some influence, but the process felt lazy to me. I do like Hubert though and on balance I agree that he’s done a solid job through 3 seasons all things considered. Would love nothing more for him to have a long and successful career here.

I worry about him because the margin for error at UNC is (rightfully) pretty thin. People can dismiss all of the early season losses as unimportant or say that some of the flaws of the team are exaggerated if that makes them feel better, but the reality is that the turnaround needs to happen soon or there is real danger of missing the tournament. Having that happen in 2 out of 4 seasons + going into a season where the roster will likely be even thinner than this season would be a bad combination. The outside noise would be a lot to overcome.
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I know his hiring rubbed some people the wrong way, and I understand it, but I'm not sure that another coach would have handled this lurch to NIL and transfers much better than he has. Some of the coaches who have are sleazeballs who I think are just paying more money to recruits than anyone else (say, like Bruce Pearl at Auburn) and I don't want someone like that here. The one trend I've noticed about his teams in his time as a head coach here that does bother or worry me is that they tend to be slow starters - they don't seem to catch fire (if they are going to) until late in the season, and this was not the year for that to happen, given how front-loaded our schedule is. I'm not sure that improving late in the season is going to matter much if we don't even make the tournament. At any rate if we don't have a good season this year then he is definitely going to start feeling some heat and pressure going into next season, and probably rightfully so.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
He always is. His answer is always Carolina just didn't hit their shots.
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Really don’t get the mentality.

It’s like everyone is an idiot for being concerned that the team isn’t good, and if the team actually ends up not being good, then you’re also idiots for caring about it.

Kind of a microcosm of how UNC athletics are actually run now that I think about it.
 
stankeylegjones said:
From Greg Barnes, regarding NIL: @GrantHughes referenced last night that 18 of the top-20 centers in the 2025 class are committed and the two uncommitted don't seem to be in communication with UNC. Some of those players are committed to Virginia Tech, NC State, Notre Dame and Miami. Coaches have different preferences in the players they recruit, but UNC didn't sign a top-20 center in the 2024 class, either. I think we need to avoid blanket blame of NIL when discussing roster management. No doubt it's a factor in certain recruitments, but it's also an easy scapegoat.
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So Greg, where does the blame fall.
 
Peppers49 said:
Really don’t get the mentality.

It’s like everyone is an idiot for being concerned that the team isn’t good, and if the team actually ends up not being good, then you’re also idiots for caring about it.

Kind of a microcosm of how UNC athletics are actually run now that I think about it.
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I feel like many UNC fans haven’t grasped the reality of modern basketball. You don’t just bludgeon teams very often anymore.

There are a lot more good players and good teams. The separation between the top 40 or so teams is relatively small.

Many of the games between these top tier teams comes down to which one shoots better that night. Unless you have an Edey or a Clingan the game is often simply coming down to making shots.

I’m betting the Heels will find their shooting stride at some point this season and go on a nice run. I think the roster has the players and shooters to make it happen.

I could certainly be wrong but I’m going to be wrong on the side of optimism.
 
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Bigs23 said:
I feel like many UNC fans haven’t grasped the reality of modern basketball. You don’t just bludgeon teams very often anymore.

There are a lot more good players and good teams. The separation between the top 40 or so teams is relatively small.

Many of the games between these top tier teams comes down to which one shots better that night. Unless you have an Edey or a Clingan the game is often simply coming down to making shots.

I’m betting the Heels will find their shooting stride at some point this season and go on a nice run. I think the roster has the players and shooters to make it happen.

I could certainly be wrong but I’m going to be wrong on the side of optimism.
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I think most of us fully understand that parity in college sports has been on the rise for awhile now for various reasons. We’re never going to see something like Dean’s Sweet 16 streak again and that’s fine.

In any case, we can debate what the proper expectations for UNC basketball in this day and age are until we’re blue in the face. People still want to discuss the team in detail, and a team that is currently 4-4 and has been down by double digits in the first half more often than not clearly has issues beyond just not making open shots. If that’s really all it comes down to then why get on a thread like this at all?
 
Peppers49 said:
I think most of us fully understand that parity in college sports has been on the rise for awhile now for various reasons. We’re never going to see something like Dean’s Sweet 16 streak again and that’s fine.

In any case, we can debate what the proper expectations for UNC basketball in this day and age are until we’re blue in the face. People still want to discuss the team in detail, and a team that is currently 4-4 and has been down by double digits in the first half more often than not clearly has issues beyond just not making open shots. If that’s really all it comes down to then why get on a thread like this at all?
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I never said we shouldn’t discuss it.
 
Sad part is, this team is shooting the 3 ball fairly well to start the year. Those Maui numbers aren't sustainable

18% (5/28) vs Alabama
48% (11/23) vs Mich St
38% (6/16) vs Auburn
39% (9/23) vs Dayton
30% (7/23) vs Kansas
 
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Heelsandeers said:
Sad part is, this team is shooting the 3 ball fairly well to start the year. Those Maui numbers aren't sustainable

18% (5/28) vs Alabama
48% (11/23) vs Mich St
38% (6/16) vs Auburn
39% (9/23) vs Dayton
30% (7/23) vs Kansas
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What’s realistic? 35% 36%
 
Joel and Taylor discuss the game. Joel hits on some good points - lack of will/energy, bad defense allowing Bama to get easy good shots, etc. Worth the listen, imo.

 
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