stankeylegjones
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I did not realize that the only top 20 center HD has signed is JWash.
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Said indiana and ncstate excuse makers at one timeWhich is often the simple difference between winning and losing. If you shoot under 35% from 3 and your opponent shoots over 35% you’ll probably lose.
UNC basketball has not fallen off the map like some of you like to believe.
The coaching staff is directly responsible for the roster. If you don’t believe that it’s on them to develop the players then that’s one thing, but they’re still the ones in charge of who is on the team in the first place. No matter how you slice it, it falls on their shoulders.The coaching staff was counting on improvement from our JWs and that just hasn't happened. Maybe you can fault the decision to rely on them (though it seemed that we did go after centers, we just didn't get them for various reasons), but I don't see how their lack of development can be put on the staff.
It's hard to be successful in college when you miss whole seasons in HS. Development time at that age is so critical. Wasn't JW out for a really long time in HS? I don't remember the full story if I knew it. And the other JW just has a poor BBIQ and an inconsistent motor and there's just not a lot a coaching staff can do with a guy like that.
James Brown wasn't a top 20 center in his class? Really?From Greg Barnes, regarding NIL: @GrantHughes referenced last night that 18 of the top-20 centers in the 2025 class are committed and the two uncommitted don't seem to be in communication with UNC. Some of those players are committed to Virginia Tech, NC State, Notre Dame and Miami. Coaches have different preferences in the players they recruit, but UNC didn't sign a top-20 center in the 2024 class, either. I think we need to avoid blanket blame of NIL when discussing roster management. No doubt it's a factor in certain recruitments, but it's also an easy scapegoat.
I might be mistaken but Wash was always projected as a 4 by most all recruiting guys. Just another botched situation by HD that he is forced into playing a position hes should never have to play.I did not realize that the only top 20 center HD has signed is JWash.
It is on them to develop the players, but some players can't be developed. Dean recruited Ed Geth and Ed Geth never amounted to anything under four years of tutelage. In fact, IIRC, Ed Geth was the teammate of Joe Smith, and we offered Ed but not Joe. Oops. Michael Brooker was a huge disappointment, as was Max Owens. Did Dean forget how to develop players?The coaching staff is directly responsible for the roster. If you don’t believe that it’s on them to develop the players then that’s one thing, but they’re still the ones in charge of who is on the team in the first place. No matter how you slice it, it falls on their shoulders.
Over time, tho, talent wins out. You want to be the casino, not the gambler.And OAD talent doesn’t guarantee success either.
I’m not saying there won’t be recruiting misses. Happens regularly to even the best coaches. My point is that if the coaching staff is bringing in too many of these guys that just can’t be developed for whatever reason and the team’s performance on the court starts suffering as a result, then that’s on the coaches for not building a better roster.It is on them to develop the players, but some players can't be developed. Dean recruited Ed Geth and Ed Geth never amounted to anything under four years of tutelage. In fact, IIRC, Ed Geth was the teammate of Joe Smith, and we offered Ed but not Joe. Oops. Michael Brooker was a huge disappointment, as was Max Owens. Did Dean forget how to develop players?
Withers is a lost cause. He just doesn't have it. When we got him, we saw a guy with potential who could be good with some coaching and some practice but it hasn't happened. Washington has developed some -- he just had a long way to go and he's being put in a difficult situation for him.
The staff is responsible for the roster, that's true. But if you're assessing the staff, you would want to distinguish between systemic failures and a couple of one-off recruiting misses.
Who’s assuming that they know what is going on behind the scenes? You don’t think he signed up for it when he signed his contract as the new head coach? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about here.James Brown wasn't a top 20 center in his class? Really?
I think we need to avoid assuming that we know what goes on behind the scenes in recruiting. Maybe Greg Barnes knows what he's talking about, but maybe not. I certainly have no idea how exactly NIL does or doesn't affect recruiting.
I'm pretty sure that this new era of college basketball with unlimited transfers and professional players was not what Hubert signed up for when he left the broadcast booth. Salary cap management has never been part of the job description of a UNC coach. If HD is struggling because recruiting has changed so much, he might not be the right guy for the job -- but that doesn't mean he was a bad hire or he's a bad coach. It just means the job suddenly changed because of COVID and the Supreme Court.
I think it's fair to say that we were counting on RJ shooting better than he has. If RJ was making the shots he made last year, we'd have two more wins and wouldn't be freaking out about this loss.
Yes, but in each singular CBB season a team of high quality veterans with maybe one OAD is going on consistently outperform teams with multiple revolving OADs.Over time, tho, talent wins out. You want to be the casino, not the gambler.
I’ll be honest, I wasn’t a fan of the way UNC hired Hubert in 2021. I get that it’s what Roy wanted and he earned the right to have some influence, but the process felt lazy to me. I do like Hubert though and on balance I agree that he’s done a solid job through 3 seasons all things considered. Would love nothing more for him to have a long and successful career here.That's a good post, and I agree with nearly all of it. I also don't think he'll be fired at the end of the season if they don't make the NCAA Tournament or bow out early and have a lot of losses, that wasn't what I was trying to say. I still support him and given the rapidly changing nature of college sports I'm not sure that anyone else would have navigated this any better. Having said that, if we do fail make the NCAA tourney then I do think he will start to feel some real pressure moving into next year, no question. Your post did a good job, I thought, of showing how justified the complaints against him will be if that turns out to be the case. I like him and certainly hope he turns it around.
The guy who posted that NIL is more excuse than explanation.Who’s assuming that they know what is going on behind the scenes?
Had we been preseaason #18 that year, we would have gotten a bid to the NCAAT.2023 preseason #1 debacle. That season felt so much worse than it actually was because of the dubious distinction of being the only preseason #1 team to miss the tournament constantly getting thrown in our faces. Had we been like preseason #18 and had the same exact season, I think it would have been much easier for us to give a mulligan to a second year coach still figuring things out.
Sure, but it's also true that some things are hard to foresee.I’m not saying there won’t be recruiting misses. Happens regularly to even the best coaches. My point is that if the coaching staff is bringing in too many of these guys that just can’t be developed for whatever reason and the team’s performance on the court starts suffering as a result, then that’s on the coaches for not building a better roster.
You seem to be assuming more than what he actually stated. He stated it is part of the problem, but not the only part of the problem. Nowhere did he say it is an excuse.The guy who posted that NIL is more excuse than explanation.
As for HD, of course he signed up for it when he signed on as HC. I was talking about the decision to get into coaching in the first place. He didn't need to be a coach, right? He made $$ as an NBA player, and was making $$ as a TV personality. He went into coaching, I think, for love of the job. And if it turns out that the job is really, really different than it was -- well, again, it doesn't make him a bad coach or a bad hire. And please understand I am not at all on the "fire HD" wagon, not at all, not right now at least. I'm just saying that if his tenure ends up with a lack of success, there's a lot more to it than "HD wasn't a good coach."
That's fine. I didn't parse the comment very closely; it was only a social media comment (IIRC without looking back); and it doesn't matter that much. You're welcome for the clarification.You seem to be assuming more than what he actually stated. He stated it is part of the problem, but not the only part of the problem. Nowhere did he say it is an excuse.
Thanks for clarifying your second point.
They do look a lot better when they go in.This is clearly wrong. There's no way you can, objectively, say that UNC had just as many good shots last night as Bama did. No way.