UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

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StoneColdHeel said:
Even with the Carolina blue glasses, though, it doesn't look good.
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6-5 doesn’t look good but this team is going to win 20+ games. I win over UCLA is desperately needed though.

I don’t foresee UNC consistently being a top 10 team under the current conditions with or without Hubert.
 
WE just had a great season last year, did we not? A little premature exit in the tourney yes, I get that... but a great season nonetheless. And not long ago, a Final Four and a Championship game appearance. Vanquishing the Rat...

Yes, we missed on some recruiting targets, failed to get a decent haul from the Portal this off-season... true, true.... but I'll always come down on the coach's side in these things. You can't squeeze blood from a turnip, and some seasons your squad looks and plays like a root vegetable.

But having said all of that... Coach Davis' years as head man will be fewer than double digits.
 
Peppers49 said:
I have a hard time seeing UNC firing Hubert after this season unless we win like 12 games total and it’s obvious that the team has quit on him. If he does miss the tournament though he will have serious job pressure going into a season where the roster will likely be full of transfers or current players that don’t have a ton of experience. That would be a very tough spot.
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I agree that it's more likely he gets another season than he doesn't but I'm not convinced that's the right call.

It would be one thing if we were a scrappy, well-coached team who just couldn't win games. But instead we're a fairly talented team (with a hole inside) that often looks like it takes us until nearly halftime to show we even have a coach.
 
I knew we had a talent deficiency in the front court coming into the season but I didn’t figure they would all be this bad. 10 rebounds total between Lublin, Washington, Withers and Powell.
 
SnoopRob said:
I agree that it's more likely he gets another season than he doesn't but I'm not convinced that's the right call.

It would be one thing if we were a scrappy, well-coached team who just couldn't win games. But instead we're a fairly talented team (with a hole inside) that often looks like it takes us until nearly halftime to show we even have a coach.
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That would be my son's rec league team. 😄
 
One thing I've thought about is that if we did let Coach Davis go in the next few years, who is the big-name coach who would replace him who would carry on the Dean Smith legacy and Carolina Way? There is no Roy Williams this time who is a natural, obvious fit and who has a national reputation. College basketball coaching isn't what it was even just a few years ago, imo. If Davis is let go there's no obvious UNC-connected successor out there, and given the new college sports environment we may likely go the Belicheck route (not in terms of his age) and bring in a coach who will turn UNC basketball into a UK style NBA farm team, except maybe with as much of an emphasis on talented transfers as high school recruiting. And frankly if we're going to remain a blue blood that may be the way we have to go. It's still a sad thought though.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
One thing I've thought about is that if we did let Coach Davis go in the next few years, who is the big-name coach who would replace him who would carry on the Dean Smith legacy and Carolina Way? There is no Roy Williams this time who is a natural, obvious fit and who has a national reputation. College basketball coaching isn't what it was even just a few years ago, imo. If Davis is let go there's no obvious UNC-connected successor out there, and given the new college sports environment we may likely go the Belicheck route (not in terms of his age) and bring in a coach who will turn UNC basketball into a UK style NBA farm team, except maybe with as much of an emphasis on talented transfers as high school recruiting. And frankly if we're going to remain a blue blood that may be the way we have to go. It's still a sad thought though.
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I think you're right that it may be hard to lure a big-name coach here unless donors are willing to step up for basketball after just stepping up for football.

The real problem is that Hubert Davis, as much as I like him, should never have been the hire. Carolina Basketball should never be an OTJ training opportunity for a coach with no HC experience, yet we hired him.

If we move on from HD in the next couple of seasons and can't go big, we should at least do what we need to do to get Wes Miller to take the job. I'm not sure he's a guaranteed NC machine or anything, but I think the floor would be a consistently good team that had chances to be very good or better.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
One thing I've thought about is that if we did let Coach Davis go in the next few years, who is the big-name coach who would replace him who would carry on the Dean Smith legacy and Carolina Way? There is no Roy Williams this time who is a natural, obvious fit and who has a national reputation. College basketball coaching isn't what it was even just a few years ago, imo. If Davis is let go there's no obvious UNC-connected successor out there, and given the new college sports environment we may likely go the Belicheck route (not in terms of his age) and bring in a coach who will turn UNC basketball into a UK style NBA farm team, except maybe with as much of an emphasis on talented transfers as high school recruiting. And frankly if we're going to remain a blue blood that may be the way we have to go. It's still a sad thought though.
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I agree that unfortunately that's the way things are today. I wish Carolina had done an actual search when Roy retired instead of just handing the job to Hubert because he was already there and played at UNC. I just think in today's game you have to get a coach that has already been successful as a head coach when it comes to a program like Carolina. It's not the same today as it even was when Dean retired and handed Gut the job. Of course I want to see Hubert succeed but I am not sure if it will happen, and I think it would have been better in the first place to have gone after someone who was already a head coach and showed they could be successful.
 
SnoopRob said:
I agree that it's more likely he gets another season than he doesn't but I'm not convinced that's the right call.

It would be one thing if we were a scrappy, well-coached team who just couldn't win games. But instead we're a fairly talented team (with a hole inside) that often looks like it takes us until nearly halftime to show we even have a coach.
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For sure. I hated the process (if you can call it that) that we used to make the hire in 2021 and frankly would have never even considered Hubert. I do think his results on the whole were a net positive through his first 3 seasons, but unless you’re an established HOF level coach, missing 2 tournaments within several seasons is always going to result in serious job pressure at a place like UNC. That’s just the reality of the situation, and unfortunately Hubert is dangerously close to that point. There is a lot riding on how he gets the team to respond during conference play over the next few months.
 
For me, I think that the hot starts that Seth and EC had during those televised scrimmages and the first couple of games covered up a lot of bad on the team, and now that they’re scoring has come back down to earth, it’s just a complete mess. I haven’t been able to watch a lot of the last couple of games, but EC in particular just seems to be all over the place.

I don’t know, I’m definitely what one would call a basketball-first fan, and I’ve been on the football board on IC way more the last couple of weeks.

I really like Hubert and I think he’s a great guy, but I would be fine if we moved on from him at the end of the season. I know it won’t happen though. but basketball just isn’t fun to watch right now.

ETA: i’ll add that at this point I do not care one iota about future coaches having Carolina ties. I think that experiment in the basketball program has to start and in with Hubert. I do think that Wes Miller would be a good option, but if that didn’t work out, cast a wide net.
 
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After firing Mack for, in large part, recruiting taking a dive, I wouldn't be surprised if they let HD/staff go. Misses with high school kids and portal players is a major problem. Tie that in with fundamentals never seeming to improve, along with constant piss-poor performances in the first half, only to have bursts in the second half, and I don't see how you can keep HD/staff. The program is headed in the wrong direction, moving at a fast rate.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
One thing I've thought about is that if we did let Coach Davis go in the next few years, who is the big-name coach who would replace him who would carry on the Dean Smith legacy and Carolina Way? There is no Roy Williams this time who is a natural, obvious fit and who has a national reputation. College basketball coaching isn't what it was even just a few years ago, imo. If Davis is let go there's no obvious UNC-connected successor out there, and given the new college sports environment we may likely go the Belicheck route (not in terms of his age) and bring in a coach who will turn UNC basketball into a UK style NBA farm team, except maybe with as much of an emphasis on talented transfers as high school recruiting. And frankly if we're going to remain a blue blood that may be the way we have to go. It's still a sad thought though.
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In the new world of NIL and the portal, I don’t think we’re going to be able to hold onto “the Carolina Way” to be successful. And sadly, I don’t think I’ll be nearly as interested as I have been for almost my entire life.
 
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Icky Mettle said:
In the new world of NIL and the portal, I don’t think we’re going to be able to hold onro “the Carolina Way” to be successful. And sadly, I don’t think I’ll be nearly as interested as I have been for almost my entire life.
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Yep
 
Hey folks, 6-5 before Christmas is not the Carolina Way either.

And another thing, it's not like HD is not trying to play the game. He just offered AJ a 5+ million dollar deal to come to UNC. This is college basketball now and, thankfully, the days of exploiting players are over.
 
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As for my position on Hubert, I don’t think he should be forced out after this season, regardless of what happens this season. I think he has done enough thus far to earn one more year if this one turns out to be a bad one. But he’s really going to need to have this program in a good position that following year.
 
Icky Mettle said:
As for my position on Hubert, I don’t think he should be forced out after this season, regardless of what happens this season. I think he has done enough thus far to earn one more year if this one turns out to be a bad one. But he’s really going to need to have this program in a good position that following year.
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He will get another year but he will have to totally remake the roster and sign at least four or five out of the portal
 
Bigs23 said:
It would be tough to fire Hubert after 4 seasons with a championship game appearance and an ACC regular season title.

It’s not a slam dunk.

There’s a lot of season left.
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Yea
This thread needs to be rebooted in like late March
 
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