UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

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StoneColdHeel said:
I am getting so I prefer to record the games and only watch them if the Heels win instead of watching it live, unless they are playing Duke or in the NCAA tournament.
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Same here, but I add d00k games to that modus operendi as well... first and foremost actually...
Needless to say, I didn't watch the game last night - and shan't watch the replay today. Why would I?
I attended a H.S. basketball game instead last evening. Much more fun and fulfilling.
 
Heelsandeers said:
1-5 vs NCAAT teams giving up 91 ppg. Florida turned it over 17 times and scored 90

As bad as we thought the defense might be to start the season, it's been worse
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We've too many missing pieces this year. The team is not constructed to play at a successful level against top opponents. I think the empirical evidence is clear on that by now. Look for another L vs. UCLA in NYC this weekend.
 
Centerpiece said:
We've too many missing pieces this year. The team is not constructed to play at a successful level against top opponents. I think the empirical evidence is clear on that by now. Look for another L vs. UCLA in NYC this weekend.
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If they lose this weekend, they are not going to be able, short of running the table, to make it in the tourney. Their season basically rides on this game. Hopefully HD/staff will get them to come out playing in the first half like he does in the second half.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was trying to say earlier. Since we're still fairly early in the season I'll just wait and see what happens by the end of the year. Hopefully Davis can turn it around.
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Sure, a lot of games left but any loss in conference outside of Clemson, Pitt, and dook will be devastating since the conference is so poor. 6 teams other than us have at least 5 losses already. We need to go at least 15-5 with no devastating losses to get on the bubble.
 
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stankeylegjones said:
If they lose this weekend, they are not going to be able, short of running the table, to make it in the tourney. Their season basically rides on this game. Hopefully HD/staff will get them to come out playing in the first half like he does in the second half.
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Yep, if they lose this weekend it will probably take 16-4 in the ACC to get in, unless we sweep dook and even then it's probably 15-5. Big hill to climb.
 
Heelsandeers said:
5 games vs NCAAT teams and trailed virtually every minute

Almost difficult to do
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Make it 6. The same game script over and over and over is not a coincidence. What does it say about a team that

1. can't build or maintain a lead
2. only plays well down a bunch when the other team (naturally) has its foot off the gas
3. can't execute in end of game situations
 
Heelsandeers said:
I've always believed playing a tough OOC schedule can only help but this seems like a pretty clear case where it didn't. 6 of the first 12 games will have been against top 20ish Kenpom teams. Losses to Florida and UCLA and they will be on the outside looking in by March short of a miraculous ACC run

And yes many little things could've shifted some of those outcomes in their favor but they didn't and so the pressure continues to build. A convincing win over Florida would do this team wonders
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Welp. Still come out every game looking like they're playing with a ton of pressure

It’s only when there’s nothing left to lose that they look sharp and just play bball

Only to tighten up again when the game gets close and slows down. If that isn’t on coaching idk what is
 
stankeylegjones said:
If they lose this weekend then they will need to be pretty close to running the table. The ACC is incredibly weak this year, outside of Duke.
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Not to mention even historically great UNC teams have lost head-scratching games in conference play. A historically bad team like the one we currently have is going to lose even more of those games.
 
Centerpiece said:
Same here, but I add d00k games to that modus operendi as well... first and foremost actually...
Needless to say, I didn't watch the game last night - and shan't watch the replay today. Why would I?
I attended a H.S. basketball game instead last evening. Much more fun and fulfilling.
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I was coaching my son's rec league team during the first half of the Carolina game. I saw the score and figured there wasn't any sense in watching the same thing we have seen all year when they play a good team...slow start, comeback, still lose.
 
I'm squarely in the "writing's on the wall" camp. 3 out his 4 seasons will be spent on the NCAA tourney bubble. His 1st year was rough until we got fluky hot at the very end. That run led to massive expectations in year 2, which we failed to meet. Miserably. Year 3 was a good season that still left a lot to be desired - that ACCT loss to State was... gross. And we were clearly a tier or 2 below the elite teams last season and didn't really have a realistic chance at a title. And this year, yikes.

Excuses are for losers. Its ultimately the coach's responsibility to build the roster and have its production meet/exceed its potential. Good coaches do that consistently. Hubert did it for a few weeks in the spring of 2022. Sure, it could be argued we were > the sum of our parts last season, but we were pretty damn talented. The rest of his tenure has been average to below-average.

Program vibes aren't good. Perception isn't good. Recruiting momentum is gone. Board insiders at IC hinting that players (and their families) are losing trust in Hubert. Recruits seem to have already reached that point. We saw how big $ donors were quick to break the bank for Belichick in a way they never did for Mack. Hubert's seat is heating up. That brings uncertainty for the future, which recruits tend to not like. It's a self-sustaining spiral we've all seen before.

Had we completed the collapse to that depleted Baylor team or had Caleb missed just one of the ridiculous shots he hit vs. UCLA, this all looks much clearer.
 
UNCRx85 said:
I'm squarely in the "writing's on the wall" camp. 3 out his 4 seasons will be spent on the NCAA tourney bubble. His 1st year was rough until we got fluky hot at the very end. That run led to massive expectations in year 2, which we failed to meet. Miserably. Year 3 was a good season that still left a lot to be desired - that ACCT loss to State was... gross. And we were clearly a tier or 2 below the elite teams last season and didn't really have a realistic chance at a title. And this year, yikes.

Excuses are for losers. Its ultimately the coach's responsibility to build the roster and have its production meet/exceed its potential. Good coaches do that consistently. Hubert did it for a few weeks in the spring of 2022. Sure, it could be argued we were > the sum of our parts last season, but we were pretty damn talented. The rest of his tenure has been average to below-average.

Program vibes aren't good. Perception isn't good. Recruiting momentum is gone. Board insiders at IC hinting that players (and their families) are losing trust in Hubert. Recruits seem to have already reached that point. We saw how big $ donors were quick to break the bank for Belichick in a way they never did for Mack. Hubert's seat is heating up. That brings uncertainty for the future, which recruits tend to not like. It's a self-sustaining spiral we've all seen before.

Had we completed the collapse to that depleted Baylor team or had Caleb missed just one of the ridiculous shots he hit vs. UCLA, this all looks much clearer.
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Yeah, beating dook at K's last home game and the run in the tourney and beating dook again in the Final 4 was an awesome ride. But it really was all about Manek getting hot and Love hitting some ridiculous shots at the right time. I think some forget how that season was until the tourney run and the Heels were close to not even being in it.
 
He is losing the recruiting war and now we do not have a rebounder or utility big man that can limit the bleeding inside. I see talented bigs on mid majors that could help us but some how we cannot evaluate talent well enough to procure a usable 7 footer. The 4 and 5 positions are empty.
 
StoneColdHeel said:
Yeah, beating dook at K's last home game and the run in the tourney and beating dook again in the Final 4 was an awesome ride. But it really was all about Manek getting hot and Love hitting some ridiculous shots at the right time. I think some forget how that season was until the tourney run and the Heels were close to not even being in it.
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Yep. Despite the results, that team was on the bubble until the last game of the regular season. They were on the bubble again the next season. And they're on the bubble again now with a ton of work to do to get off it.

If the admin wants to maintain program standards, these results cannot be acceptable. People citing the Final 4 in year 1 and the 1-seed last year are missing the forest for the trees. UNC basketball has great regular seasons and consistent tournament success. That's the standard. Period. Not 3 of 4 seasons on the bubble with one hot streak skewing everything.
 
UNCRx85 said:
I'm squarely in the "writing's on the wall" camp. 3 out his 4 seasons will be spent on the NCAA tourney bubble. His 1st year was rough until we got fluky hot at the very end. That run led to massive expectations in year 2, which we failed to meet. Miserably. Year 3 was a good season that still left a lot to be desired - that ACCT loss to State was... gross. And we were clearly a tier or 2 below the elite teams last season and didn't really have a realistic chance at a title. And this year, yikes.

Excuses are for losers. Its ultimately the coach's responsibility to build the roster and have its production meet/exceed its potential. Good coaches do that consistently. Hubert did it for a few weeks in the spring of 2022. Sure, it could be argued we were > the sum of our parts last season, but we were pretty damn talented. The rest of his tenure has been average to below-average.

Program vibes aren't good. Perception isn't good. Recruiting momentum is gone. Board insiders at IC hinting that players (and their families) are losing trust in Hubert. Recruits seem to have already reached that point. We saw how big $ donors were quick to break the bank for Belichick in a way they never did for Mack. Hubert's seat is heating up. That brings uncertainty for the future, which recruits tend to not like. It's a self-sustaining spiral we've all seen before.

Had we completed the collapse to that depleted Baylor team or had Caleb missed just one of the ridiculous shots he hit vs. UCLA, this all looks much clearer.
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Amen to all of this. And the third paragraph definitely can't be ignored.

Us hiring Belichick has most definitely put a clock on Hubert Davis that was only kinda-sorta there 10 days ago. Even if we somehow run the table, none of this overall feels good.

And a reminder: We scraped to beat Georgia Tech:

  • At home
  • With them missing two starters
 
I'm so reluctant to be a critic of HD. Find it really hard, honestly. He was one of our most beloved players, played under Dean, had a lengthy NBA career, came back and helped Roy. A truly class act, a man of faith....just about every positive accolade you can bestow on a fellow man.

Similar to the Doherty hire, we put Hubert in charge because he was part of the family, ignoring that they both lacked head coaching experience. Tough ask for a first time head coach to take the reigns of one of the most demanding jobs in the world of basketball.
 
CRHeel94 said:
I'm so reluctant to be a critic of HD. Find it really hard, honestly. He was one of our most beloved players, played under Dean, had a lengthy NBA career, came back and helped Roy. A truly class act, a man of faith....just about every positive accolade you can bestow on a fellow man.

Similar to the Doherty hire, we put Hubert in charge because he was part of the family, ignoring that they both lacked head coaching experience. Tough ask for a first time head coach to take the reigns of one of the most demanding jobs in the world of basketball.
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The University will ultimately need to decide what it wants the basketball program to be going forward. Do they want to maintain the standard of excellence built over the last 60 years? Or do they want to keep hiring members of the family for all the feel-goods it provides? If you take an unbiased view of things, there's no "Carolina Family" without all the uh, you know... WINNING.

The way we built this thing is no longer viable in today's NIL/Portal era. And it's not going back to the way it was before. Adapt or become Indiana or UCLA, if we haven't already...
 
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