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When’s the last time UK, IU, UCLA, or dook won a national title or went to a FF?
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Find another team to root for then if you think all of your fellow fans are entitled idiots.
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Not entitled idiots… just entitled Tads and Buffys.
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I agree with this. I've seen a number of posts on IC claiming that UNC is rapidly moving towards Indiana-level irrelevancy, and it's just absurd. Indiana hasn't won a national title since 1987 and hasn't been to a Final Four in over twenty years. We won a national title just a little over seven years ago and played for a national title less than three years ago. Yes, our record since 2020 has been unusually inconsistent for UNC, but we're still a long, long way from becoming another Indiana. dook hasn't won a national title in nearly a decade and has been to one Final Four since, while we've been to three, yet somehow I'm guessing that the same people who are slamming UNC as increasingly irrelevant nationally wouldn't say the same about dook. I wonder why.
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Is an ncaa title or a final four what determines a successful season for you? If not , what does?
Also, no one, outside of some of their fans, considers iu and ucla as blue bloods.
Saying that UNC is close to being the next UCLA or Indiana is obviously ridiculous. We would need like 20 more seasons of mediocrity to even get close to that.
The point is that the longer you operate outside of the upper echelon, the more difficult it is to get back there consistently.
The point is that the longer you operate outside of the upper echelon, the more difficult it is to get back there consistently.
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I don't disagree, I just got tired of seeing those dumb comparisons over at IC and was frankly somewhat surprised to see them posted here.
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Because Duke is still relevant, and has been lately. When was the last time Duke was a bubble team? Or KU? How about UNC?
No one, here at least, is saying UNC is turning into IU or UCLA, but the current state of the program is sub-par for UNC, and the other blue bloods.
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Where have you seen those comparisons here?
In fairness, Dook did miss the tournament in 2021 and has had some lackluster showings in recent seasons. Their best team post-Zion (2022) took 2 Ls to UNC that they’ll never live down short of beating us in a FF, and we’ve had the upper hand in the rivalry as of late.
The difference is that their future trajectory has a noticeably higher floor than what we’re looking at. They are in great shape so far this season and it doesn’t look like their recruiting is going to slow down anytime soon. In comparison, we look awful this season and our recruiting is on the rocks. We’ve targeted a ton of highly rated recruits recently and missed on basically all of them. That goes beyond the typical NIL excuse.
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From this post yesterday: "The way we built this thing is no longer viable in today's NIL/Portal era. And it's not going back to the way it was before. Adapt or become Indiana or UCLA, if we haven't already..."
I don't disagree about us needing to change and adapt better to the new NIL/Portal era, or that we could possibly become Indiana or UCLA, but we're certainly not there yet, or even close.
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Definitely not there yet. And that post doesn’t read to me like it’s saying we have.
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Well, we'll have to disagree on that one - "if we haven't already" at the least sounds as if it's being implied. At any rate either Hubert turns the team around this season or he doesn't, and if he doesn't and we don't make the tourney he'll either be gone or he'll be on a major hot seat for next year, as he should be. I suspect the future of any blue blood college football or basketball program is going to look something like what Belicheck is envisioning for the football program - whether he's able to implement it or not, that's probably what all major college sports programs are going to move to.
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It’s a big part of it. Has that changed?
In sports, a blue blood is a program that is considered to be among the most elite in the sport. The term is often used to describe college basketball and college football programs.
Here are some characteristics of blue blood programs:
- History: Blue blood programs have a long history of success, often dating back to the early days of the sport.
- National reputation: Blue blood programs are known throughout the country and are frequently featured in national media coverage.
- Fan base: Blue blood programs have large and passionate fan bases.
- Tournament appearances: Blue blood programs have made multiple deep runs in the NCAA tournament and are often contenders for the Elite Eight and Final Four.
- National championships: Blue blood programs have won multiple national championships.
Some programs that are often considered blue bloods include:
Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA, UConn, UNC, and Indiana.
The term "blue blood" comes from the old idea that aristocratic blood was blue. It is also used as an alternative term for nobility
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We have NOT fallen into obscurity as badly as Indiana or UCLA has fallen the past 25 +/- years.
Indiana and UCLA were always considered Blue Bloods in Basketball. If you don’t agree with that, then you’re probably too young to realize that fact. Perhaps you weren’t born yet when the phrase “basketball blue bloods” came into being.
The first historical mention of “blue bloods” specific to college basketball can be found as early as 1946. (I looked it up and did the research).
Since the late 1980s, college basketball’s “blue bloods” list has always included - in no certain order - UNC, UCLA, Kentucky, Indiana, Kansas, and d00k (which in 1989, somehow made the list before their first NCAA championship).
Other schools mentioned - from time to time between the 1980’s and today - include: Mich. State, Villanova, Gerorgetown, UCONN, Florida, And Louisville. Even Arizona got a mention here and there.
But no one's in charge, of course, so there are no cut-and-dried rules.
The Lexington Herald-Leader's Jerry Tipton, a longtime Kentucky beat writer, knows what a blue blood is, given his proximity to the 'Cats. In 2011, he wrote, "Kentucky, UCLA, Michigan State, Florida ... Basketball blue bloods representing more than 20 national championships are playing in this pod of the NCAA Tournament this week."
Florida's first national title came in 2006. Sure, another one came a year later, but how do Florida's two championships weigh against Oklahoma State's two from 1945 and 1946, or San Francisco's two from 1955 and 1956?
That's up to the authors of history to decide and history suggests that the notion of blue-blood programs in men's basketball has gained popularity this century, as a way to elevate the haves from the have-nots or to stoke sports-related debate. Below is a graph of the search results for the phrase "basketball blue blood" in newspapers.com's database, showing how rarely the phrase was ever published in newspapers prior to the first national championships won by Duke (1991), Arizona (1997), UConn (1999) or Florida (2006).
While the definition and membership list of men's basketball's blue bloods are in flux, depending on who you ask and when you ask them, whichever 2024/25 NCAA Men's Final Four participant adds a national championship to its trophy case, it may be able to renew its membership application to the sport's club of blue bloods, thanks to a shiny, new trophy.
Indiana and UCLA were always considered Blue Bloods in Basketball. If you don’t agree with that, then you’re probably too young to realize that fact. Perhaps you weren’t born yet when the phrase “basketball blue bloods” came into being.
The first historical mention of “blue bloods” specific to college basketball can be found as early as 1946. (I looked it up and did the research).
Since the late 1980s, college basketball’s “blue bloods” list has always included - in no certain order - UNC, UCLA, Kentucky, Indiana, Kansas, and d00k (which in 1989, somehow made the list before their first NCAA championship).
Other schools mentioned - from time to time between the 1980’s and today - include: Mich. State, Villanova, Gerorgetown, UCONN, Florida, And Louisville. Even Arizona got a mention here and there.
But no one's in charge, of course, so there are no cut-and-dried rules.
The Lexington Herald-Leader's Jerry Tipton, a longtime Kentucky beat writer, knows what a blue blood is, given his proximity to the 'Cats. In 2011, he wrote, "Kentucky, UCLA, Michigan State, Florida ... Basketball blue bloods representing more than 20 national championships are playing in this pod of the NCAA Tournament this week."
Florida's first national title came in 2006. Sure, another one came a year later, but how do Florida's two championships weigh against Oklahoma State's two from 1945 and 1946, or San Francisco's two from 1955 and 1956?
That's up to the authors of history to decide and history suggests that the notion of blue-blood programs in men's basketball has gained popularity this century, as a way to elevate the haves from the have-nots or to stoke sports-related debate. Below is a graph of the search results for the phrase "basketball blue blood" in newspapers.com's database, showing how rarely the phrase was ever published in newspapers prior to the first national championships won by Duke (1991), Arizona (1997), UConn (1999) or Florida (2006).
While the definition and membership list of men's basketball's blue bloods are in flux, depending on who you ask and when you ask them, whichever 2024/25 NCAA Men's Final Four participant adds a national championship to its trophy case, it may be able to renew its membership application to the sport's club of blue bloods, thanks to a shiny, new trophy.
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I’m on that site too Bigs… I read all of that. I agree with you on the subject.
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Thanks for spending the time to write this out. It does help me get more of an understanding of where you're coming from. I do agree with you that, for blue bloods, championships are part of what makes the season successful. I still disagree with you about Duke and KU not falling off like UNC has fallen off - even according to the amount of weight you put into championships.
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Which site is that?
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yeah, all they've done is recruit the best players, win a ton of games with them, and earn high tourney seeds.
I think your argument here, while maybe correct in a black-and-white sense, is quite reductive. The kind of thing people say to make themselves feel better about the way things are.
In terms of current program vitality, Duke's walking the dog on us, man. We're lucky they haven't capitalized more on the ridiculous amount of talent they've had. You're lying to yourself if you said you wouldn't want the talent they bring in.