United Healthcare CEO shot and killed | 1st Degree murder charges ordered dropped

farce© said:
That 7% number seems inconsistent with the Yes/No/Don't know numbers directly above it. or the "Total Net" number is calculated using numbers I don't see in this table.
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The total net is yes's minus no's. It basically says a small majority of the people under 45 would report the murderer and a large majority of the people over 45 would report the murderer.

It's a little cut off but it looks like people under 45 and black people are almost equally reluctant to report the white murderer. I'm a little surprised. I wouldn't have thought a young white male would have been statistically significant between blacks and whites.
 
Paine said:
Particularly the piece about provider rates that centrist pundits have latched onto in recent weeks.

jacobin.com

Blame Health Insurers for Exorbitant Health Care Costs

Since the shooting of UnitedHealthcare’s CEO, a number of pundits have claimed that the main cause of exorbitant US health care costs is overcharging by providers, not health insurance companies. The argument doesn’t hold up: insurers are mostly to blame.
jacobin.com jacobin.com
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really succinct, thanks for sharing.
 
Paine said:
For the black/white numbers, probably more to do with people’s experiences with the police/justice system if I had to guess.
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I guess. I'm just surprised. I'm sure blacks are more likely to be on the wrong side of the justice system, either fairly or unfairly, but they are also more likely to be murdered. Just surprised they are that much more likely to sympathize with the murderer.
 
4thgenheel said:
its not all necessarily sympathy.

its minding their own damn business because all too often when black folks call the police it ends up being a huge hassle and/or dangerous for them even if they've done nothing wrong.
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Once again, I guess. But we're not talking about someone selling loose cigarettes or running an unlicensed lemonade stand. We're talking about someone that murdered someone.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Once again, I guess. But we're not talking about someone selling loose cigarettes or running an unlicensed lemonade stand. We're talking about someone that murdered someone.
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this is not complicated, dude.

black folks are already very reticent to call the police and a lot of people do not see the victim as a sympathetic figure whatsoever.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
The total net is yes's minus no's. It basically says a small majority of the people under 45 would report the murderer and a large majority of the people over 45 would report the murderer.

It's a little cut off but it looks like people under 45 and black people are almost equally reluctant to report the white murderer. I'm a little surprised. I wouldn't have thought a young white male would have been statistically significant between blacks and whites.
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I’ve seen some surveys that suggest black Americans are less likely to report crime in general, ostensibly because they don’t think the police will actually do anything about it other than maybe hassle them.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
I’ve seen some surveys that suggest black Americans are less likely to report crime in general, ostensibly because they don’t think the police will actually do anything about it other than maybe hassle them.
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Apparently it's true that black Americans are less likely to report crime based on the United health CEO murderer survey and that seems like a reasonable idea about why. I'm just surprised.

And not to make it out like there's a large community of people that would let a murderer slide. The majority of both young people and black people would report this guy. I'm just surprised that there was such a large difference between whites and blacks on the intention to report.
 
4thgenheel said:
its not all necessarily sympathy.

its minding their own damn business because all too often when black folks call the police it ends up being a huge hassle and/or dangerous for them even if they've done nothing wrong.
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Part of my job involves attending neighborhood watch/community watch meetings, usually in heavily Black neighborhoods. The police send people to attend as well. Without fail, the (Black) people at those meetings beg and plead for more police activity in their neighborhoods. Granted, the demographic that attends these meetings skews older/retired and cares more about crime than your average person, but I don’t think it is a simple black/white issue.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Part of my job involves attending neighborhood watch/community watch meetings, usually in heavily Black neighborhoods. The police send people to attend as well. Without fail, the (Black) people at those meetings beg and plead for more police activity in their neighborhoods. Granted, the demographic that attends these meetings skews older/retired and cares more about crime than your average person, but I don’t think it is a simple black/white issue.
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i mean, dude....old people who take the time to attend community meetings about policing want more policing?

in other news, water is wet.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Part of my job involves attending neighborhood watch/community watch meetings, usually in heavily Black neighborhoods. The police send people to attend as well. Without fail, the (Black) people at those meetings beg and plead for more police activity in their neighborhoods. Granted, the demographic that attends these meetings skews older/retired and cares more about crime than your average person, but I don’t think it is a simple black/white issue.
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"I don’t think it is a simple black/white issue."

Is there such a thing as a "simple black/white issue?"
 
4thgenheel said:
BREAKING NEWS AT 10: old people who take the time to attend community meetings about policing want more policing.

in other news, water is wet.
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The flip is also true, though. No one has cared enough about over policing during the many years I have gone to these meetings to attend and ask for less policing, even though this would be a great time and place to do so.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
The flip is also true, though. No one has cared enough about over policing during the many years I have gone to these meetings to attend and ask for less policing, even though this would be a great time and place to do so.
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people who are doing crime or have family/friends doing crime or are worried about over policing aren't likely to publicly complain about policing and thereby ID themselves.

i think some of y'all are overthinking something that is very simple - black folks simply to not trust law enforcement nearly as much as white folks.
 
4thgenheel said:
people who are doing crime or have family/friends doing crime or are worried about over policing aren't likely to publicly complain about policing and thereby ID themselves.

i think some of y'all are overthinking something that is very simple - black folks simply to not trust law enforcement nearly as much as white folks.
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Is that really true? I could think of a couple other explanations for not wanting to call law enforcement than black people not trusting them. I suspect there are a number of different reasons for a number of different people as opposed to a blanket black people don't trust law enforcement. And that of course ignores the majority of black people that would have turned this murderer in according to this poll.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Is that really true? I could think of a couple other explanations for not wanting to call law enforcement than black people not trusting them. I suspect there are a number of different reasons for a number of different people as opposed to a blanket black people don't trust law enforcement. And that of course ignores the majority of black people that would have turned this murderer in according to this poll.
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You could think and suspect, or you could listen and learn. It isn't like the relationship between African Americans and law enforcement is some undiscovered county- there are myriad studies about opinions and engagement with law enforcement from African Americans and other ethnic groups, which could help guide your understanding.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Once again, I guess. But we're not talking about someone selling loose cigarettes or running an unlicensed lemonade stand. We're talking about someone that murdered someone.
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In addition to what others have already said about the relationship between black Americans and law enforcement, we're talking about someone who murdered a wealthy white CEO for a very specific reason that doesn’t apply broadly. I doubt many in the black community are concerned about being his next target.
 
JCTarheel82 said:
In addition to what others have already said about the relationship between black Americans and law enforcement, we're talking about someone who murdered a wealthy white CEO for a very specific reason that doesn’t apply broadly. I doubt many in the black community are concerned about being his next target.
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Sure, but most in the white community aren't either. There aren't that many healthcare executives. I can't think that's the reason for the difference in attitudes.
 
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