United Healthcare CEO shot and killed | 1st Degree murder charges ordered dropped

Callatoroy said:
Well trump's 2 elections are repudiations of the world the left has laid out. You don't have to look hard to find the reasons the left lost this election. To me, those macro reasons are great reasons for electing trump. So I'm not talking about you personally, but associating trump's wins as evidence of greed, bigotry, racism, and christian nationalism is completely off base and not in line with most of the reasons given for trump's win. He won because of the left's economic policies, open border philosophy, antisemitism, condescension, perverting the rule of law, and placing culture war issues above everything else. America isn't a racist country. It does have some bigotry issues but that is almost impossible to eradicate. Greed will always be an issue despite which party is in charge. You use the word deplorable in the same paragraph you accuse Americans of being greedy, bigoted, racist, and religiously intolerant. That has been an expensive word for the left to keep using. I might suggest finding another adjective because that one has cost you two elections.
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holy delusion, batman.
 
dcphx said:
NG-insanity is a loss for the DA
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The chance of getting NG-Insanity is incredibly small even when someone has fairly serious metal health issues. But it’s not necessarily a loss for the prosecution when it does happen.
 
Has someone asked this yet - - but why is he being charged with second degree murder as opposed to first degree?
 
lawtig02 said:
Fairly typical. Will almost certainly be upgraded.
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I think I read in New York that first degree is limited to things like murder in connection with another crime, and that second degree is equal to first degree in most states.
 
Yep, nevermind. I guess I coulod have googled earlier and not been so lazy. from Forbes:

WHY WASN’T MANGIONE CHARGED WITH FIRST DEGREE MURDER?​

Mangione was charged with second degree murder—despite allegedly straightforwardly shooting Thompson—because New York’s first degree murder law only applies in specific instances, none of which would apply here. The first degree murder law applies in cases where the victim is someone specific like a police officer, peace officer, first responder or state correctional facility employee, or in cases like killing someone as part of an act of terrorism or killing a witness to a crime to prevent their testimony. The first degree murder charge would also apply in cases of “contract killers” who enter into agreements to commit the crime in exchange for money or something else of value.
 
Icky Mettle said:
The chance of getting NG-Insanity is incredibly small even when someone has fairly serious metal health issues. But it’s not necessarily a loss for the prosecution when it does happen.
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My comment was more in reference to the question of why a DA would not want this guy to shout out to the media. Don't even give him the opportunity to begin crafting a narrative in the public that the floor does not go all the way up to the top floor.

I would generally disagree that in a high profile cases such as this, a NG-Insanity would be a loss for the DA because this case is going to be a resume builder for whomever is prosecuting it and that type of result would not be a resume builder.
 
If I understand the story correctly, the image we had of his whole face was the result of him flirting with an employee at the hostel where he was staying, and her asking him to pull his mask down.

So, essentially, a woman ruined his life.
 
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Paine said:
Good article about Eric Hobsbawm’s social banditry theory.

“Popular veneration of social bandits was itself a form of what scholars call ‘pre-political’ or ‘proto-political’ action — modes of resistance that do not explicitly engage with formal political systems or institutions but can still reflect political consciousness, grievances or a challenge to the status quo.”
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"The lesson is, and should be, unsettling. Social bandits capture the public imagination not just because they take from the rich and give to the poor, sometimes violently. Their power resides in the vacuum that is effective government. In the absence of a strong and responsive government, many Americans may continue to celebrate social banditry as an expression of their discontent with the economic state of affairs. And while some bandits are swashbuckling and benign, like Robin Hood, just as often, they are like Frank and Jesse James: violent, bloodthirsty and dangerous."
 
ZenMode said:
If I understand the story correctly, The image we had of his whole face was the result of him flirting with an employee at the hostel where he was staying. and she asked him to pull his mask down.

So, essentially, a woman ruined his life.
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His brush with the US healthcare system ruined his life. It's why he chose to do what he did.
 
nycfan said:
The restaurant’s page on Google and Yelp has since been flooded with negative reviews, calling workers “rats” and “snitches.”
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Hard to believe that anyone would take the time to "review" a McDonald's under normal circumstances. I mean, it's a McDonalds...
 
StrangePackage said:
His brush with the US healthcare system ruined his life. It's why he chose to do what he did.
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It seems more likely that chronic back issues was the problem. He apparently had some vertebrae fused, which is often a last resort to deal with back pain.
 
ZenMode said:
What does that mean? Having US health insurance causes back pain?
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It means that our current system creates more barriers, costs more money, and produces worse healthcare outcomes than any other first-world system. While we don't know this particular medical history, it would surprise absolutely nobody if Mangione was thwarted in obtaining earlier or alternative medical intervention that ended up making surgery inevitable. Hell I've got a friend who just had to have surgery to repair a torn muscle because he couldn't get PT covered by his insurance when it might've helped.
 
StrangePackage said:
It means that our current system creates more barriers, costs more money, and produces worse healthcare outcomes than any other first-world system. While we don't know this particular medical history, it would surprise absolutely nobody if Mangione was thwarted in obtaining earlier or alternative medical intervention that ended up making surgery inevitable. Hell I've got a friend who just had to have surgery to repair a torn muscle because he couldn't get PT covered by his insurance when it might've helped.
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So, again, fusing vertebrae is often a last resort. At this time, there's no reason to believe he wasn't treated in other ways prior to the surgery and he simply has chronic back issues.
 
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