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United Healthcare CEO shot and killed

My company switched insurance companies last year after they'd been with the same company for 20+ years. I sent in a big claim at the end of last year, right before the switch-over. After a month and a half with no response, I reached out to find out what was going on. they claimed to have no record of my claim whatsoever, so made me resubmit from scratch.

A month later they post that the claim has been processed, and "discounts have been applied". When I went to check it out, "discounts" turned out to mean they had denied the claim entirely. So I emailed them, asking for an explanation.

They told me the treatment I received was not valid with the diagnosis code provided by the doctor. So I asked them for an explanation of what had changed in their policy, given I'd been submitting the same treatment under the same diagnosis code for multiple years with never a problem. They responded my claim was under review.

Now a week later, they just changed the claim status to "processed" again on their website (without notifying me, I've been checking daily). It appears they have still denied the entire claim... but can't tell for certain, as the language they use for everything is completely circumspect...
 
I'm not a Bondi fan at all but dude has been caught on camera shooting someone from behind in cold blood, completely unprovoked. If we have the death penalty on the books then seems to me it should be used in this case.
 
336Heel said:
I'm not a Bondi fan at all but dude has been caught on camera shooting someone from behind in cold blood, completely unprovoked. If we have the death penalty on the books then seems to me it should be used in this case.
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Except the reason they want to use it is because of who he killed, not that he was killed in the first place. The lives of millionaire CEOs mean more to them.
 
336Heel said:
I'm not a Bondi fan at all but dude has been caught on camera shooting someone from behind in cold blood, completely unprovoked. If we have the death penalty on the books then seems to me it should be used in this case.
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Hard disagree.
 
NYCBlueBlood said:
My company switched insurance companies last year after they'd been with the same company for 20+ years. I sent in a big claim at the end of last year, right before the switch-over. After a month and a half with no response, I reached out to find out what was going on. they claimed to have no record of my claim whatsoever, so made me resubmit from scratch.

A month later they post that the claim has been processed, and "discounts have been applied". When I went to check it out, "discounts" turned out to mean they had denied the claim entirely. So I emailed them, asking for an explanation.

They told me the treatment I received was not valid with the diagnosis code provided by the doctor. So I asked them for an explanation of what had changed in their policy, given I'd been submitting the same treatment under the same diagnosis code for multiple years with never a problem. They responded my claim was under review.

Now a week later, they just changed the claim status to "processed" again on their website (without notifying me, I've been checking daily). It appears they have still denied the entire claim... but can't tell for certain, as the language they use for everything is completely circumspect...
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Damn, you’re pretty young to have a large yearly or so. recurring health insurance claim……hope you’re doing OK.
 
Zoo_View said:
Damn, you’re pretty young to have a large yearly or so. recurring health insurance claim……hope you’re doing OK.
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It's for my therapist. I have a bad habit of saving up all my sessions for the year and submitting them at once. It was something I started doing when I was in a job for a couple years that didn't get paid a bonus. I used the insurance claim as a substitute for a bonus. I'd never had a problem with it, so it didn't occur me BCBS would try to **** me on the way out when my company decided to switch to UHC after 20+ years with BCBS.
 
The turning point in my political transformation was the morality of the death penalty, which I encountered at age 16. I'm more definitive now than I was then but I'll put it bluntly -- if you think the government should have control over whether a human continues to breathe, you're an authoritarian. And I say that recognizing a democratic government must be authoritarian in some contexts, such as wars in the defense of liberty. But I will never understand, much less endorse, the power of the government to end life, absent extraordinary circumstances. It's the most extreme, and thus the most limited, power the state can exert over its people.
 
lawtig02 said:
The turning point in my political transformation was the morality of the death penalty, which I encountered at age 16. I'm more definitive now than I was then but I'll put it bluntly -- if you think the government should have control over whether a human continues to breathe, you're an authoritarian. And I say that recognizing a democratic government must be authoritarian in some contexts, such as wars in the defense of liberty. But I will never understand, much less endorse, the power of the government to end life, absent extraordinary circumstances. It's the most extreme, and thus the most limited, power the state can exert over its people.
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That was not the issue I would have guessed to be your turning point. Personally, I'm more offended by torture. I doubt you are going to be writing a brief on that any time soon, but just saying.

I don't see the death penalty as about authoritarianism. I'm not sure the Soviet Union had a death penalty outside the military context. They didn't need one -- they just sent everyone to the gulag. I see authoritarianism as about due process.

I also don't see the death penalty as an important issue for me. In many ways, it feels like a trap. It's one of those issues where liberals are out of step with the population. We are going to do some things that don't have majority support; is this how we want to spend our political capital? What Zeldin just did at EPA will kill way more Americans than the death penalty ever could. Global warming will be the biggest killer in the history of the species.

I would easily trade a world without death penalty and a 2 degree rise in temps for one with death penalty and a 0.5 degree rise in temps.
 
superrific said:
That was not the issue I would have guessed to be your turning point. Personally, I'm more offended by torture. I doubt you are going to be writing a brief on that any time soon, but just saying.

I don't see the death penalty as about authoritarianism. I'm not sure the Soviet Union had a death penalty outside the military context. They didn't need one -- they just sent everyone to the gulag. I see authoritarianism as about due process.

I also don't see the death penalty as an important issue for me. In many ways, it feels like a trap. It's one of those issues where liberals are out of step with the population. We are going to do some things that don't have majority support; is this how we want to spend our political capital? What Zeldin just did at EPA will kill way more Americans than the death penalty ever could. Global warming will be the biggest killer in the history of the species.

I would easily trade a world without death penalty and a 2 degree rise in temps for one with death penalty and a 0.5 degree rise in temps.
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Sure, but I’m guessing you didn’t grow up evangelical.
 
lawtig02 said:
Sure, but I’m guessing you didn’t grow up evangelical.
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1. I never know just what "evangelical" means. My grandpa was a Lutheran pastor, mostly in the Midwest. But in general, I did not have a strongly religious upbringing because my dad, I think, loathed the church. Well, he loathed pretty much everything except his hot tub, but anyway. I used to go to church with my grandparents sometimes.

So, in yes or no format, you are correct.

2. I'm not criticizing your take. I'm just saying it's not my experience. Whatever it took to get you here is fine with me. We each have our own roads. I was a young boy when I thought Mondale made better sense than Reagan, and that's when I became a Dem. It's all good.

3. I would criticize your take if you were presenting death penalty as a litmus test issue. When Dems now say, "we need to avoid cultural litmus tests and orthodoxy," I think we need to include the death penalty. I know people who think you can't be a good liberal while supporting it. That attitude needs to go.
 
superrific said:
That was not the issue I would have guessed to be your turning point. Personally, I'm more offended by torture. I doubt you are going to be writing a brief on that any time soon, but just saying.

I don't see the death penalty as about authoritarianism. I'm not sure the Soviet Union had a death penalty outside the military context. They didn't need one -- they just sent everyone to the gulag. I see authoritarianism as about due process.

I also don't see the death penalty as an important issue for me. In many ways, it feels like a trap. It's one of those issues where liberals are out of step with the population. We are going to do some things that don't have majority support; is this how we want to spend our political capital? What Zeldin just did at EPA will kill way more Americans than the death penalty ever could. Global warming will be the biggest killer in the history of the species.

I would easily trade a world without death penalty and a 2 degree rise in temps for one with death penalty and a 0.5 degree rise in temps.
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evangelical = baptist
 
evrheel said:
evangelical = baptist
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Oh that it were so simple. Not all Baptists are evangelical. I think the current evangelical movement is led more by these nondenominational prosperity gospel churches with no denominational infrastructure, with the only oversight being a hand-selected board who are in lockstep with the founder/preacher. The thing that separated Baptists from other mainline Protestant denominations was always more about governance than theology.
 
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