US strikes Venezuela / Captures Maduro

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ZenMode said:
I guess it depends on what qualifies as "attacking Venezuela". Is a 2 hour operation, to capture a drug cartel leader, "attacking Venezuela"?
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If a foreign military dropped bombs on US soil, killing dozens of people what would you call that?
I mean, for fuck’s sake, if a guy with a gun lurking in the bushes nowhere near the president is an attempted assassination, surely putting assets from virtually every branch of the military into action in a sovereign nation counts as an attack.
 
ZenMode said:
I guess it depends on what qualifies as "attacking Venezuela". Is a 2 hour operation to capture a drug cartel leader "attacking Venezuela"?
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Make your case for how this could be considered not an attack. I'm particularly curious why you think the length of time matters. Many attacks, throughout history, have taken less time than that.

Keep in mind, the time between the first hijacking of a plane on September 11th and the fall of the second tower was essentially the same amount of time.
 
sringwal said:
Make your case for how this could be considered not an attack. I'm particularly curious why you think the length of time matters. Many attacks, throughout history, have taken less time than that.

Keep in mind, the time between the first hijacking of a plane on September 11th and the fall of the second tower was essentially the same amount of time.
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The Enola Gay was only in Japanese air space for a matter of minutes. For that reason, I’d say it’s unfair to call the bombing of Hiroshima an “attack.”
 
sringwal said:
Make your case for how this could be considered not an attack. I'm particularly curious why you think the length of time matters. Many attacks, throughout history, have taken less time than that.

Keep in mind, the time between the first hijacking of a plane on September 11th and the fall of the second tower was essentially the same amount of time.
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An "attack" is something that I view as the start of a war or one of many such events during a war. This wasn't a military attack on Venezuela. It was an operation, that included bombs, with the sole purpose to extracting a drug cartel leader.

I put this much more inline with droning Qasem Soleimani, which wasn't an attack on Iraq or Iran, or the exploding pagers operation by Israel, than I do a military attack.

But that's just my opinion....
 
ZenMode said:
An "attack" is something that I view as the start of a war or one of many such events during a war.
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This a newfound opinion?

Re the Bondi Beach gunman opening fire on civilians:
ZenMode said:
I have been busy and almost entirely off offline since yesterday afternoon.

That being said.....

How many times was "Allahu Akbar" yelled during the attack?
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Gmonet said:
I mean, Pearl Harbor only lasted two hours. But Hawaii wasn't even a state, so probably not an attack.
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I think the "operation" has to continue for at least 72 hours before it is officially considered an attack on a foreign country, but I could be wrong. ZenMode would know better than I regarding what timeline is necessary to be considered an attack on a foreign country.
 
ZenMode said:
I guess it depends on what qualifies as "attacking Venezuela". Is a 2 hour operation, to capture a drug cartel leader, "attacking Venezuela"?
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A foreign country parks an armada off the East Coast, sends 150 war planes to Washington DC, blows up buildings, cuts power to tens of thousands in the region, kills 40-80 people on American soil (some Americans and some mercenary security services from let’s say Honduras) and takes Trump and Melania into custody to try in that country’s courts under that country’s laws. Has America been attacked?
 


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nycfan said:
A foreign country parks an armada off the East Coast, sends 150 war planes to Washington DC, blows up buildings, cuts power to tens of thousands in the region, kills 40-80 people on American soil (some Americans and some mercenary security services from let’s say Honduras) and takes Trump and Melania into custody to try in that country’s courts under that country’s laws. Has America been attacked?
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How long did it take?
 
ZenMode said:
An "attack" is something that I view as the start of a war or one of many such events during a war. This wasn't a military attack on Venezuela. It was an operation, that included bombs, with the sole purpose to extracting a drug cartel leader.

I put this much more inline with droning Qasem Soleimani, which wasn't an attack on Iraq or Iran, or the exploding pagers operation by Israel, than I do a military attack.

But that's just my opinion....
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The exploding pagers operation by Israel wasn't an attack? Now you've really jumped the shark.
 
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