US strikes Venezuela / Captures Maduro

  • Thread starter Thread starter nycfan
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies: 2K
  • Views: 63K
  • Politics 
Calheel said:
But there is a big difference between snatching a leader in the middle of the night, ala Noriega (or to a lesser degree, Osama bin Laden) and occupying a country, ala Iraq or Afghanistan (or to a lesser degree, Grenada). One is more in the nature of Invasion Light, not really much different than the CIA sponsored coups the USA loved to do in the 1950s-70s.
Click to expand...
And also a big difference between invading Poland and merely attacking a naval fleet in port, but both qualified as war.
 
superrific said:
Bullshit. You don't have any friends from South America. Why do you people lie all the time?
Click to expand...
To be fair, I’m sure most Venezuelans are happy specifically about Maduro being gone. I’m sure all Venezuelans have serious trepidation about what is to come.

And I’m sure many Americans would be happy to see Trump out of office. That does mean it is a good thing if another country attacked the White House and abducted him, however.
 
StrangePackage said:
Because if you add 1 drop of wine to a gallon of sewage, you have a gallon of sewage.

And if you add one drop of sewage to a gallon of wine, you've got a gallon of sewage.

It's either a good reason or a shit reason, and mixing the two doesn't make shit good, but makes good things shit.
Click to expand...
If you are predetermined to see something negatively you will do so 100% of the time.

Pros (As I see them)

1. We eliminated a large scale drug dealer / cartel enabler who exported drugs / gang related crime to the US.
2. We stopped the encroachment of china / russia into Ven and prevented either from accessing its natural resources and setting up shop
3. We did so with no loss of life of US soldiers
4. We haven't attempted an occupation or regime change
5. We have the opportunity to recoup lost investments (if we choose to)
6. We sent a strong message to other state supported cartel leaders
7. We hurt russia's revenue stream that is greatly need to fund its war
8. We reinforced the earlier message that panama should distance itself from China's attempts to get in the port business.
9. We reestablished the core principles of the Monroe Doctrine to china / russia / iran
10. We sent the message that the US will act if it feels its national security and interests are threatened.
11. Liberation of Ven citizens and an opportunity to help rebuild its economy

Cons:

1. We potentially muddied the waters in how china views this action as it relates to taiwan. I doubt it though as this isn't the straw that pushes it over the edge. It isn't like not taking madura was going to prevent china from invading taiwan.
2. We created a possible situation where chaos could take over Ven if not managed correctly (I think this is a bigger con than the first one listed)
3. trump and miller shooting off their mouths and acting like bitches without any regard to how their words are interpreted
4. Already poor economy could get worse.
5. Disagreements over legality of the action
6. More political disagreement in the US

Maybe there are other cons but I don't see them as being major. I posted this as strictly my opinion and am very aware many will disagree and that's fine. Not trying to convince anyone or convey the message I'm right and they are wrong.
 
Tar1978Heel said:
Trump finished what Biden started. My friends from South America are happy.
Click to expand...
The fact that biden upped the bounty from $15 million to $25 million for information leading to maduro's arrest isn't talked about much. Why increase the bounty and take no action to arrest him? Seems pointless because in the absence of the US taking action, the only one who could arrest maduro was maduro.
 
Icky Mettle said:
To be fair, I’m sure most Venezuelans are happy specifically about Maduro being gone. I’m sure all Venezuelans have serious trepidation about what is to come.

And I’m sure many Americans would be happy to see Trump out of office. That does mean it is a good thing if another country attacked the White House and abducted him, however.
Click to expand...

I’m willing to risk it
 
superrific said:
There is no such thing as "right" independent of a legal system.
Click to expand...
"You know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." - Thucydides
 
hedge said:
"You know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." - Thucydides
Click to expand...
I meant legal right, as that was the topic of one of those maniacal GOP tweets
 
1moretimeagain said:
I don’t know much about Venezuelan security forces, but a casualty count of 75-0 is a really rough night.

Click to expand...

If you add the drug/fishing boats of the last month, we’re probably at about 150-0.

Not really a fair fight when you can bomb from a distance. Kinda like Neil Brennan’s discussion of the NRA vs the army

 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top