Walz v. Vance VP Debate - Post-Game Thread | Vance now says Trump won in 2020

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Paine said:
I didn’t say anything last night because the board consensus seemed to be that Vance won. That didn’t jive with my feelings while watching it, but it seems like the focus group polling is more indicative of a tie or slight Walz win.
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Whoever "won," it was a split decision with no knockdowns. If it actually moved the needle for anyone I'm guessing it was for Walz b/c he was more likeable...
 
ZenMode said:
Sadly, and even if you dislike them and their politics, both VP candidates seem more prepared, and better options in general, than their Presidential candidate counterpart.
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That’s not true at all. Kamala appears incredibly prepared. Her dismantling and unhinging of Trump in the debate was a masterclass. I like Walz, but Kamala is quite a bit smarter than him. Walz has a tough to fake genuineness about him that is sorely lacking in most politicians and that’s why he’s resonating, but the one I’d want answering the proverbial 3 AM phone call between the two is Kamala.

Vance on the other hand is the polar opposite of Walz. He’s a smooth-talking politician who says what he thinks the audience wants to hear in order to try to win votes then does what he wants anyway. He’s an obvious Yale-educated lawyer who just strikes people as weird. He is, however, infinitely more competent and capable than Donald Trump. If Vance were at the top of the ticket, I would view him as a political threat to things that are important to me such as abortion access, healthcare, and minority and LGBTQ rights, but I would not view him as an existential threat to the republic or our lives the way I view Donald Trump.
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
He’s an obvious Yale-educated lawyer who just strikes people as weird.
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I would not say he's obviously Yale educated. He's obviously educated at law school, sure. But he's at least two notches below typical Yale Law grads (who aren't all that great to begin with, Yale being the most overrated law school in existence).
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
That’s not true at all. Kamala appears incredibly prepared. Her dismantling and unhinging of Trump in the debate was a masterclass. I like Walz, but Kamala is quite a bit smarter than him. Walz has a tough to fake genuineness about him that is sorely lacking in most politicians and that’s why he’s resonating, but the one I’d want answering the proverbial 3 AM phone call between the two is Kamala.

Vance on the other hand is the polar opposite of Walz. He’s a smooth-talking politician who says what he thinks the audience wants to hear in order to try to win votes then does what he wants anyway. He’s an obvious Yale-educated lawyer who just strikes people as weird. He is, however, infinitely more competent and capable than Donald Trump. If Vance were at the top of the ticket, I would view him as a political threat to things that are important to me such as abortion access, healthcare, and minority and LGBTQ rights, but I would not view him as an existential threat to the republic or our lives the way I view Donald Trump.
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I’ve never been a fan of ranking people by intelligence, but in terms of who I’d trust to handle that 2am call, I’m going —

1. Kamala by a mile
2. Walz/Debate Vance
3. Pre-debate Vance
4,000,000,000. Trump
 
lawtig02 said:
I’ve never been a fan of ranking people by intelligence, but in terms of who I’d trust to handle that 2am call, I’m going —

1. Kamala by a mile
2. Walz/Debate Vance
3. Pre-debate Vance
4,000,000,000. Trump
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Eh, Walz is fine. He's probably not super smart, but intelligence is fairly low down the traits that you need for that 2AM phone call. You've got all the intelligence in the world at your fingertips (and yes, you have to be able to digest it but we're not dealing with quantum mechanics here or something else that's really hard to understand). What you need is good judgment. I think Walz has that. I agree that I'd prefer to have Kamala in that situation.

I know what you mean by "Debate Vance" versus "pre-debate Vance," but I'm not sure that's a relevant distinction. He's either a guy who 1) believes that nothing is more important to America than women having babies; or 2) he's got bad enough judgment to go around saying that shit out loud incessantly. Either way, not the right guy.

But yes, Trump is the 2024 White Sox of the story here. No, I'm sorry, Trump 2016 was the 2024 White Sox. Trump 2024 is Spinal Tap trying to play basketball.
 
ZenMode said:
Trump has set the record for worst president and worst presidential candidate, but, after watching debate highlights, I think Tim Walz would have a better shot against Trump than Kamala. Walz is more charismatic and comes across, IMO, as more authentic. He's a better debater, better at speaking without a teleprompter. He's not saddled with 3.5 years of economic/immigration issues. He doesn't have the history of significant political flip-flops and he's a "he".

For the record, I'm not voting for Trump or Harris, so I don't have a dog in this fight.
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So your wasting your vote? Wow.
 
SilenceDoGood said:
Vance won hands down. Walz couldn't defend the Harris record.
Walz  denied Kamala Harris has let millions of illegal aliens invade the country after she decimated President Trump’s border security.
Walz was unable to name a single thing Kamala has done for the middle class during her tenure.
Walz bizarrely  claimed he has “become friends with school shooters.”
Walz lied about President Trump’s tariffs many of which were so successful, the Harris-Biden administration kept them in place.
Walz  ignored the fact that most Americans trust President Trump on the economy.
Tiananmen Tim  humiliated himself trying to explain why he lied about being in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square massacre when he was actually in Nebraska.
Walz  refused to say if he supports ANY limits on abortion-on-demand after he legalized unrestricted abortion-on-demand until birth in Minnesota.
Walz lied about a law he signed in Minnesota eliminating the requirement to provide lifesaving care for babies born alive following botched abortions.
Walz  admitted he “learned a lot of what needed to be in governance” from communist China.
Vance  called out Walz for his support of censoring the views of Americans with whom he disagrees.
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Adam Sandler GIF by IFC
 
Ddseddse said:
If you watched two high school chess club players play a chess match against each other ,and then watched Magus Carlsen play chess against a pigeon that just strutted around, knocked over all the pieces, and shat all over the board, you'd come to precisely the same conclusion.

I'm not saying that Kamala is Magnus, what I am saying is that your blowing past some obvious structural disadvantages that Kamala had to contend with.
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But I do agree that trump reminds me of a pigeon trying to play chess.

Especially when he goes into the "weave" strategy and never finds the conclusion.
 
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