Walz v. Vance VP Debate - Post-Game Thread | Vance now says Trump won in 2020

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Ddseddse said:
Agree with this, with a huge caveat.

From the perspective of JD Vance's rehabilitation of his image, it was a definite tactical victory.

But voters won't be voting for JD Vance on Nov 5th, they will be deciding between Trump and Harris.

I think Vance's performance was actually, big picture, a huge strategic loss for the Trump Vance ticket.

By putting on a performance that draws such a sharp contrast with his boss's demeanor, he spent two hours last night reminding undecided voters that there is another way and the chaos and drama are entirely unnecessary.

To the extent anyone saw it, the debate was a huge loss specifically for Trump.
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This is a great observation and I agree completely. I saw a lot of people saying last night Vance was campaigning for 2028, not 2024. Can’t help but think there’s some truth to that, as his performance last night was of a post-Trump candidate as much as it was of Trump’s VP. Trump will never admit it, but I bet he was RAGING at some of the things Vance said.
 
ZenMode said:
Sadly, and even if you dislike them and their politics, both VP candidates seem more prepared, and better options in general, than their Presidential candidate counterpart.
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Stop it. This is so ridiculous. Kamala is a great candidate. She’s much better prepared to lead our country than Vance or Walz. She’s immeasurably better prepared to lead our country than Trump, who is literally in the bottom 10 of the people I’d trust with that responsibility. Walz is qualified. The Vance we saw last night is qualified if you ignore everything he said before last night. Kamala is highly qualified. There’s only one person on the presidential ticket who is unqualified to serve the office, and he’s almost uniquely unqualified. So stop lumping in Kamala with Trump. They are categorically different.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
I think Vance’s answer to the January 6th question seems to be the major moment from the evening, and he completely botched it.
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You and I may think he botched it, but consider his answer was tailored for an audience of one who thinks he knocked it out of the park.
 
Macksbrownies said:
I’m trying to wrap my head around how someone could be considered a “winner” of a debate when all they did was was misconstrue and lie about everything. Being able to speak well shouldn’t negate that fact that what you are speaking are lies. Does not compute.
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Because Trump has lowered the bar that much for Republicans.
 
ZenMode said:
Sadly, and even if you dislike them and their politics, both VP candidates seem more prepared, and better options in general, than their Presidential candidate counterpart.
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Complete bullshit. Trump is in his own category as it relates to being a capable option (or I should say incapable). Vance may have intelligence, but his craven lying and dystopian ideas about how to organize society disqualifies him as well. Harris is perfectly capable and prepared to be POTUS.
 
4thgenheel said:
objectively false and frankly batshit insane and completely nukes any shreds of credibility you had left around here.

if someone with 22 years of public service as san francisco DA, california attorney general, california senator and vice president of the united states isn't qualified then no one is qualified.
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That's because you're refusing to see that as a black woman, everything she's accomplished in her entire life is completely invalidated because it was all obviously gifted to her on a silver platter.

Amiright, Callatroy?
 
No doubt that being as big of a chameleon and prevaricating opportunist as Vance is takes brains. His "type" is different that trump’s for sure. Probably even more fundamentally evil.
 
ZenMode said:
Sadly, and even if you dislike them and their politics, both VP candidates seem more prepared, and better options in general, than their Presidential candidate counterpart.
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Stop it :rolleyes: Harris is one of the most prepared candidates we've had. Major city prosecutor -> State AG -> US Senator -> Vice President. That's quite the journey.
(Joey Biden was certainly well prepared too)
 
ZenMode said:
Sadly, and even if you dislike them and their politics, both VP candidates seem more prepared, and better options in general, than their Presidential candidate counterpart.
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If you watched two high school chess club players play a chess match against each other ,and then watched Magus Carlsen play chess against a pigeon that just strutted around, knocked over all the pieces, and shat all over the board, you'd come to precisely the same conclusion.

I'm not saying that Kamala is Magnus, what I am saying is that your blowing past some obvious structural disadvantages that Kamala had to contend with.
 
Guess we're starting to get into the same old and tired excuse making from some now with "I'd vote for the Dems if Walz was at the top of the ticket." Harris could step down today for any number of reasons with Walz taking over and It would be excuse time all over again for why they couldn't vote for Walz.

It's hilarious, if not predictable.
 
Enigma94 said:
Complete bullshit. Trump is in his own category as it relates to being a capable option (or I should say incapable). Vance may have intelligence, but his craven lying and dystopian ideas about how to organize society disqualifies him as well. Harris is perfectly capable and prepared to be POTUS.
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Trump has set the record for worst president and worst presidential candidate, but, after watching debate highlights, I think Tim Walz would have a better shot against Trump than Kamala. Walz is more charismatic and comes across, IMO, as more authentic. He's a better debater, better at speaking without a teleprompter. He's not saddled with 3.5 years of economic/immigration issues. He doesn't have the history of significant political flip-flops and he's a "he".

For the record, I'm not voting for Trump or Harris, so I don't have a dog in this fight.
 
ZenMode said:
Trump has set the record for worst president and worst presidential candidate, but I think Tim Walz would have a better shot against Trump the Kamala. Walz is more charismatic and comes across, IMO, as more authentic. He's a better debater, better at speaking without a teleprompter. He's not saddled with 3.5 years of economic/immigration issues. He doesn't have the history of significant political flip-flops and he's a "he".
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You thought Walz was better in his debate than Harris was in hers? That’s crazy to me.
 
Ddseddse said:
Agree with this, with a huge caveat.

From the perspective of JD Vance's rehabilitation of his image, it was a definite tactical victory.

But voters won't be voting for JD Vance on Nov 5th, they will be deciding between Trump and Harris.

I think Vance's performance was actually, big picture, a huge strategic loss for the Trump Vance ticket.

By putting on a performance that draws such a sharp contrast with his boss's demeanor, he spent two hours last night reminding undecided voters that there is another way and the chaos and drama are entirely unnecessary.

To the extent anyone saw it, the debate was a huge loss specifically for Trump.
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"To the extent anyone saw it, the debate was a huge loss specifically for Trump."

Dems should have been dumping money into troll farms today getting them to start pushing the angle of "Vance should be top of ticket" on all the conservative sites. Pretend to be conservatives saying, "Now THAT is what a President should look like!!!111oneone"
 
NYCBlueBlood said:
"To the extent anyone saw it, the debate was a huge loss specifically for Trump."

Dems should have been dumping money into troll farms today getting them to start pushing the angle of "Vance should be top of ticket" on all the conservative sites. Pretend to be conservatives saying, "Now THAT is what a President should look like!!!111oneone"
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I like the cut of your jib. When I run I'm hiring you as my campaign manager.
 
Ddseddse said:
If you watched two high school chess club players play a chess match against each other ,and then watched Magus Carlsen play chess against a pigeon that just strutted around, knocked over all the pieces, and shat all over the board, you'd come to precisely the same conclusion.
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This is hilarious. Do you mind if I borrow it?
 
NYCBlueBlood said:
"To the extent anyone saw it, the debate was a huge loss specifically for Trump."

Dems should have been dumping money into troll farms today getting them to start pushing the angle of "Vance should be top of ticket" on all the conservative sites. Pretend to be conservatives saying, "Now THAT is what a President should look like!!!111oneone"
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LOL... exactly what the Pub trolls are trying to do now... spin a Walz win as a shot at Harris.

The key here is to get in Trump's ear that Vance looked like a real, polished man up there... vibrant, and full of life. While Trump looked like a doddering old man, yelling at clouds in his debate. Make Trump feel like Vance is stealing his spotlight... Trump's ego will not be able to handle it, and he'll turn his guns inwards and start taking down Vance instead of Harris.
 
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