Walz v. Vance VP Debate - Post-Game Thread | Vance now says Trump won in 2020

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I hadn't had a discussion with one in three decades. Have they actually developed a platform? Back when I would actually discuss politics in person, that was not the case.
 
ZenMode said:
My hope is that the Libertarian candidate will eventually get to 5%, which would allow the party to get federal campaign funds.
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I doubt this ever happens. The system naturally resolves to binary choices.
 
UNCatTech said:
I doubt this ever happens. The system naturally resolves to binary choices.
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You're probably right, but I'd like to see a 3rd party put some pressure on the 2 primary parties to hopefully motivate the 2 primary parties to select quality candidates and take action on important things like the national debt.
 
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ZenMode said:
You're probably right, but I'd like to see a 3rd party put some pressure on the 2 primary parties to hopefully motivate the 2 primary parties to select quality candidates and take action of important things like the national debt.
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You're not going to see it until you find one that is either dedicated and patient enough or has an idea that resonates well enough to build a party from the grassroots up instead of the top down. The Libertarian Party has been around how long and built what? If they are less than 5% still, they just don't have much going on, whether the flaw is policy or convincing ways of implementation.
 
dukeman92 said:
The Democratic party has a quality candidate.
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I disagree. The Democratic party has a candidate that is better than Trump or Biden, but not the quality we should expect for the most powerful person on the planet/leader of the free world. As a person/leader/communicator, an Obama-type should be the norm. Harris is nowhere close to Obama.
 
ZenMode said:
I disagree. The Democratic party has a candidate that is better than Trump or Biden, but not the quality we should expect for the most powerful person on the planet/leader of the free world. As a person/leader/communicator, an Obama-type should be the norm. Harris is nowhere close to Obama.
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Why? Be specific.
 
ZenMode said:
Trump has set the record for worst president and worst presidential candidate, but, after watching debate highlights, I think Tim Walz would have a better shot against Trump than Kamala. Walz is more charismatic and comes across, IMO, as more authentic. He's a better debater, better at speaking without a teleprompter. He's not saddled with 3.5 years of economic/immigration issues. He doesn't have the history of significant political flip-flops and he's a "he".

For the record, I'm not voting for Trump or Harris, so I don't have a dog in this fight.
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The simple fact you reference dog fighting speaks volumes as to your character and humanity.
 
ZenMode said:
As a person/leader/communicator, an Obama-type should be the norm. Harris is nowhere close to Obama.
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Do you think it is more likely that the next Obama will come from the GOP or from the Dems? I mean, if Obama is the standard, then probably you should be voting Dem.

Whatever you say about Kamala, the GOP hasn't run a candidate in well over a generation that is half as good as her by your proposed Obama standard. GWB spoke like a man of very average intelligence. Trump is certifiably a moron. Romney was inauthentic, smarmy and didn't connect with people. Bob Dole, LOL.
 
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