What can the right really throw at Harris?

lawtig02 said:
Interesting analogy. WWII soldiers fought to protect our freedom and restore it to countries that had been taken over by authoritarian regimes. Today’s GOP wants to install an authoritarian regime in order to remove rights and freedoms from groups they don’t like.
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I’m sure those WW2 contemplated men being women and harming innocence kids in the womb. I’m sure that’s what they were defending yes definitely.
 
ENCHeel said:
I agree but the very few people who do support it are in positions of power. That’s the point. Normal every day Americans like you and me agree on 90% of things. The problem is, those with power or running for power disagree on fundamental issues hence the division.
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Name the people in positions of power who support this.
 
ENCHeel said:
I’m sure those WW2 contemplated men being women and harming innocence kids in the womb. I’m sure that’s what they were defending yes definitely.
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I have a feeling you have no clue about the prevalence of abortion and transgenderism in the countries our soldiers were fighting to liberate from people who shared your core political beliefs.

Look, you can spin this however you want, but if you support Trump, you are not on the side of freedom. You’re not on the side of protecting rights. You may be fine with that, but don’t try to convince us your support for authoritarianism is some virtuous defense of those who already have disproportionate power in this country.
 
lawtig02 said:
I have a feeling you have no clue about the prevalence of abortion and transgenderism in the countries our soldiers were fighting to liberate from people who shared your core political beliefs.

Look, you can spin this however you want, but if you support Trump, you are not on the side of freedom. You’re not on the side of protecting rights. You may be fine with that, but don’t try to convince us your support for authoritarianism is some virtuous defense of those who already have disproportionate power in this country.
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Some rights have to be curtailed in the name of having a functioning and moral society. I guess you advocate for the right to do whatever you want whenever you want. That seems to be your point.
 
ENCHeel said:
The right to disagree with people who are wrong.
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You're doing that right now, aren't you? You get on this board and speak your mind freely.

Case in point: Donald Trump says exactly what he wants every single day.

Has he been locked up? Were his rights to speak and say what he wants stripped away? Last I checked he was the GOP nominee for POTUS.

So yea, I'm not really seeing the persecution.
 
ENCHeel said:
Some rights have to be curtailed in the name of having a functioning and moral society. I guess you advocate for the right to do whatever you want whenever you want. That seems to be your point.
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uhhh yeah?

dude, you are free to do whatever you want, no one is making you celebrate pride month lmao. Just don't celebrate it, no one cares if you don't.

Trust me, trans folks don't give one shit about you, or your gender.
 
ENCHeel said:
No one has a right to flaunt their transgenderism to kids. No one has a right to late term abortion. No one has a right to come in this country freely and whenever they want without following the process. Yes, those buzzwords are used to further those purposes. I’m sorry you misunderstood my point. You seem smarter than Tyler, so don’t take his path.
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You’re willing to deny a “late-term abortion” to a woman who needs one for medical reasons.

NO ONE is getting a third trimester abortion because she doesn’t want a child.

No MD or midwife is performing a third trimester abortion because the patient doesn’t want a child.

Third trimester abortions happen for medical reasons.
 
Centerpiece said:
I agree to an extent, but Trump's "executive" cred has been weighed, measured and found wanting to say the least. He ran his private companies into the ground and was also found guilty of some dodgy bits in his position of "executive" as CEO.

And Harris should get some "executive experience" cred for being Attorney General of the largest State, serving on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and also as VP for 4 years. All that should add up to something.

But as you point out, not sure if any of that moves the needle for voters.
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By all accounts Trump was a terrible CEO. His skill was in selling (master of selling himself) and dealing, but he has never shown a particular skill in running organizations (again, don't think the average MAGA understands that).

I'm kind of curious to see if the Trump experience will affect any future CEO's of trying the private sector to WH route in the future. Beyond the US, the track record is very mixed at best.
 
CallMeTyler said:
You're doing that right now, aren't you? You get on this board and speak your mind freely.

Case in point: Donald Trump says exactly what he wants every single day.

Has he been locked up? Were his rights to speak and say what he wants stripped away? Last I checked he was the GOP nominee for POTUS.

So yea, I'm not really seeing the persecution.
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They try to lock him up and I’ve been banned.
 
TarSpiel said:
So you support helping transgendered people?

Cool, good to know.

As for late term abortion, again, I think you're being fed a pack of lies. Almost everyone I know realizes that an 8 month old baby in utero is fully conscious, has a fully engaged spinal chord, brain, and central nervous system, can see and hear, and is fully alert to the world around it. Nobody that I know of supports abortion that late in a pregnancy, unless the mother's life were at risk and/or there was something seriously wrong with the fetus. Maybe some lefties on here will come on and disagree, but I'd wager that's pretty common amongst us liberals...most of us would I think object strenuously to late term abortions.

So again, this is nothing more than a lie fed to you by right wing media, which has a vested interest in getting you as angry as possible, facts be damned.
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In re: the right’s lie about late term abortions. As someone who struggled with fertility issues, I can tell you (not to sound crass about this topic), there is a definite market out there for healthy babies to be adopted to families who cannot conceive. The idea that any woman would go into the 8th month of pregnancy and willingly choose to abort a child is idiocy of the highest level. They would stand to make quite a bit of money by offering that child up for adoption. To say otherwise is simply disingenuous. And I’ve NEVER understood trumps statements that they are willing to snort the baby even after birth. No, idiot, that would clearly be called murder.
 
Zoo_View said:
You’re willing to deny a “late-term abortion” to a woman who needs one for medical reasons.

NO ONE is getting a third trimester abortion because she doesn’t want a child.

No MD or midwife is performing a third trimester abortion because the patient doesn’t want a child.

Third trimester abortions happen for medical reasons.
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It’s more case by case to me. I’m willing to allow that in the right circumstances.
 
Clt Heel said:
In re: the right’s lie about late term abortions. As someone who struggled with fertility issues, I can tell you (not to sound crass about this topic), there is a definite market out there for healthy babies to be adopted to families who cannot conceive. The idea that any woman would go into the 8th month of pregnancy and willingly choose to abort a child is idiocy of the highest level. They would stand to make quite a bit of money by offering that child up for adoption. To say otherwise is simply disingenuous. And I’ve NEVER understood trumps statements that they are willing to snort the baby even after birth. No, idiot, that would clearly be called murder.
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See Virginia.
 
ENCHeel said:
Some rights have to be curtailed in the name of having a functioning and moral society. I guess you advocate for the right to do whatever you want whenever you want. That seems to be your point.
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This is complete nonsense.
 
ENCHeel said:
It’s more case by case to me. I’m willing to allow that in the right circumstances.
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So you consent, to use your term "murder", a baby under certain circumstances?

'Selective murder' might be more appropriate if I was to keep the language consistent with your prior remarks. I was under the impression, based on your prior statements, that all murder was unacceptable.

It seems you've shifted this position since yesterday.
 
CFordUNC said:
Why would I lie on an anonymous internet message board to a total stranger about being from eastern North Carolina? I'm from Fairmont, NC- where the majority of my family still resides- which is in arguably the poorest, most rural, most economically destitute county in North Carolina. I then lived in Pitt County for four years after college. So, yeah, I'm a pretty darn "born and bred" eastern North Carolinian.

Regarding your comment about immigration, you're essentially saying exactly what I said, which is that most Americans (myself included) favor ultra-strong border security while also favoring a more efficient and more humane system of legal immigration. The problem is, the current MAGA-fied Republican Party has become so hostile to immigration of any kind that the entire floor of the RNC last week was filled with "MASS DEPORTATION NOW!" signs. Notwithstanding the logistical implausibility of mass-deporting ~10-20 million people, do you understand what kind of economic collapse such policy would cause? You know all of those hog farms and tobacco farms in eastern NC? What would happen to them? What would happen to our meat-packing, agricultural, construction, hospitality, food service, and factory/manufacturing industries? You think inflation and prices were bad in the aftermath of the pandemic? Wait til the entire economic backbone of the United States collapses because hard-core right-wingers think that anyone with brown skin who comes to the United States wanting to make a better life for themselves is "an illegal" who "should be deported."
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I had no clue where Fairmont is…..had to Google it……and, I have a passable knowledge of Robeson County and Scotland County geography…….Fairmont is the middle of effing nowhere.

Your wife must have gone to ECU Medical School for you to have lived in Pitt County for 4 years.
 
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