Where do we go from here?

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Paine said:
Well the strategy we chose to go with has failed 2/3 times.
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Like I said, risk-aversion isn't always rational. But it's also true that Trump caught everyone by surprise in 2016. I was rooting for him in the primaries, because I thought he had a 0% of winning the general. I don't like to make absolute predictions like that. But I violated my own rule, because duh, there's no way the American people would vote THAT as president. Ha.

HRC ran a bad campaign in a number of ways, but it's also true that it's hard to run against lies and hate, especially when it kind of comes out of nowhere.
 
Paine said:
Unrelated, but how do you feel about Emanuel potentially running for DNC chair? In my mind, his kind of politics are what we have to get away from as a party.
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I know you weren't asking me, but I don't like Emanuel as DNC chair personally - I think we need a new direction. I would prefer for people like Pelosi and Schumer to move on as well. But it's sort of inevitable that whoever ends up as DNC chair will have to have won the support of some significant portion of establishment Dems to get there.
 
hedge said:
You think that he gets it when he's railing on liberals. He gives more than equal time to the other side, particularly Trump, but I doubt you think he "gets it" in that regard. Well, not enough to influence your political leanings and decisions anyway...
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I actually think Maher is pretty much on the money with about all of his takes, including the anti Trump ones.

You’re making the mistake often made on this board about me - I’m not nearly as thin-skinned about people criticizing Republicans as many of you are when people criticize Democrats. I don’t like either “team” and simply vote for who I think will be best for the country in each race.

I have zero personal attachment that would make me angry when Bill Maher criticizes Trump or the far right.
 
Paine said:
Unrelated, but how do you feel about Emanuel potentially running for DNC chair? In my mind, his kind of politics are what we have to get away from as a party.
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No opinion. I don't have time to pay close attention to the inside baseball stuff.
 
You know, call me crazy, but I am just now maybe possibly potentially conceivably starting to question whether the whole GOP paranoia about transgender people isn’t just about sports!

Seriously, does anyone in the entire universe think about transgender people more than Republicans? Fuck, I don’t even think transgender people think about transgender people as much as Republicans think about transgender people.

Would any of our board Republicans like to answer why y’all and your party at large spend so much time thinking about who is pissing and shitting in the stall next to you? I literally think about nothing in public restrooms other than getting the fuck in and getting the fuck out as quickly as possible. I was in the new airport in Kansas City last week and their bathrooms are all now gender-neutral, so both men and women are going in, doing their business in the stall, going out and washing their hands, and then going on about their normal day. Just so weird to me the Republicans can’t do that.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
I have zero personal attachment that would make me angry when Bill Maher criticizes Trump or the far right.
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Nobody gives a fuck whether or not you get angry when Maher criticizes Trump and I never implied that you did. I'm just saying your crowing about Maher "getting it" is a one way street. He is magnitudes more critical of Trump and maga than he is of libs, but you manifestly don't think he "gets it" in that regard. Like somebody else said, you think he gets it when he agrees with you, but not when he doesn't...
 
superrific said:
You couldn't tell she had ever been a he if you didn't know it before hand. This is all so disgusting.
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Again these stupid mother fuckers making up bullshit to target and antagonize people for something that doesn't impact them in any way.

I bet that Nancy supports Gaetz.

If she has a history of being assaulted then why wouldn't a pervert like Gaetz be more triggering to her than another woman in the restroom?
 
UNCatTech said:
Again these stupid mother fuckers making up bullshit to target and antagonize people for something that doesn't impact them in any way.

I bet that Nancy supports Gaetz.

If she has a history of being assaulted then why wouldn't a pervert like Gaetz be more triggering to her than another woman in the restroom?
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Her stunt where she faked graffiti on her porch says everything about her credibility.
 
CFordUNC said:
You know, call me crazy, but I am just now maybe possibly potentially conceivably starting to question whether the whole GOP paranoia about transgender people isn’t just about sports!

Seriously, does anyone in the entire universe think about transgender people more than Republicans? Fuck, I don’t even think transgender people think about transgender people as much as Republicans think about transgender people.

Would any of our board Republicans like to answer why y’all and your party at large spend so much time thinking about who is pissing and shitting in the stall next to you? I literally think about nothing in public restrooms other than getting the fuck in and getting the fuck out as quickly as possible. I was in the new airport in Kansas City last week and their bathrooms are all now gender-neutral, so both men and women are going in, doing their business in the stall, going out and washing their hands, and then going on about their normal day. Just so weird to me the Republicans can’t do that.
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I agree completely. When new member of Congress Sarah McBride (first transgender member of Congress) goes to use the Capitol bathrooms to take a dump or a piss, what exactly is it that the other women in the bathroom should be afraid of? That Sarah's going to whip it out and put it on display? That's a lot of crap to go through (gender reassignment, etc) just to get a chance to be in the woman's bathroom and show your junk.
Btw, MTG plans to use physical violence against her (McBride) if necessary. MTG needs to be locked up.
www.nbcnews.com

Rep. Nancy Mace says her anti-trans bathroom bill 'absolutely' targets Rep.-elect Sarah McBride

McBride, the first out transgender person elected to Congress, will serve in the House starting next year, and Mace doesn't want her using women's bathrooms at the Capitol.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
Bobfripp said:
I agree completely. When new member of Congress Sarah McBride (first transgender member of Congress) goes to use the Capitol bathrooms to take a dump or a piss, what exactly is it that the other women in the bathroom should be afraid of? That Sarah's going to whip it out and put it on display? That's a lot of crap to go through (gender reassignment, etc) just to get a chance to be in the woman's bathroom and show your junk.
Btw, MTG plans to use physical violence against her (McBride) if necessary. MTG needs to be locked up.
www.nbcnews.com

Rep. Nancy Mace says her anti-trans bathroom bill 'absolutely' targets Rep.-elect Sarah McBride

McBride, the first out transgender person elected to Congress, will serve in the House starting next year, and Mace doesn't want her using women's bathrooms at the Capitol.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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1. Maybe Sarah should take a dump in MTG's office.
2. I thought women couldn't compete with biological males. Now MTG is going to start a fight? Which is it, bitch?
3. I so hope MTG fights her and gets her ass beat. I am generally against violence, and I generally take no pleasure in seeing people get hurt, but I'm making an exception in her case.
 
superrific said:
1. Maybe Sarah should take a dump in MTG's office.
2. I thought women couldn't compete with biological males. Now MTG is going to start a fight? Which is it, bitch?
3. I so hope MTG fights her and gets her ass beat. I am generally against violence, and I generally take no pleasure in seeing people get hurt, but I'm making an exception in her case.
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MTG is a big burly bitch. Maybe....
 
CFordUNC said:
You know, call me crazy, but I am just now maybe possibly potentially conceivably starting to question whether the whole GOP paranoia about transgender people isn’t just about sports!

Seriously, does anyone in the entire universe think about transgender people more than Republicans? Fuck, I don’t even think transgender people think about transgender people as much as Republicans think about transgender people.

Would any of our board Republicans like to answer why y’all and your party at large spend so much time thinking about who is pissing and shitting in the stall next to you? I literally think about nothing in public restrooms other than getting the fuck in and getting the fuck out as quickly as possible. I was in the new airport in Kansas City last week and their bathrooms are all now gender-neutral, so both men and women are going in, doing their business in the stall, going out and washing their hands, and then going on about their normal day. Just so weird to me the Republicans can’t do that.
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Yeah, but you aren't in the habit of getting handjobs from strangers under the bathroom stall. Republicans have a vastly greater personal stake in bathroom decorum.
 
Paine said:
They won’t admit it, but it’s about gender roles at the end of the day. That’s why you never hear transphobes talk about trans men.
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Interesting perspective. Thanks for posting something I never would have considered.
 
CFordUNC said:

America doesn't really have a working class: Why class politics is unlikely to succeed where identity politics failed.​

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To paraphrase a line from Reds, the one dream of the American working man is to be rich enough not to have to work. Anything short of that and they regard themselves as living in hardship and suffering some severe abrogation of their dream. Why they think Trump is the man who can make their dream come true (other than the fact he seems to have always lived such a life of non-work) I have no idea...
 
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