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Well after saying for months and months that he was going to get grocery prices down, Trump now says he can't do that.

So, looks to me like "go from here" for the democrats is just speak to people across the country "we get it, and we will do xyz, but we wont lie to your face like they just did" and start saying it now all the way thru 2026 and 28
 
Well after saying for months and months that he was going to get grocery prices down, Trump now says he can't do that.

So, looks to me like "go from here" for the democrats is just speak to people across the country "we get it, and we will do xyz, but we wont lie to your face like they just did" and start saying it now all the way thru 2026 and 28
I think many people would prefer to be lied to.
 
Well after saying for months and months that he was going to get grocery prices down, Trump now says he can't do that.

So, looks to me like "go from here" for the democrats is just speak to people across the country "we get it, and we will do xyz, but we wont lie to your face like they just did" and start saying it now all the way thru 2026 and 28
Biden’s fine. We don’t know what you’re talking about.
 
My Deddy (born 1916) was a New Dealer from rural NC and actually more of an Eleonor than a Franklin Delano Roosevelt Democrat. He always said that Adlai Stevenson was the best man he ever saw run for president that never won.
 

Finally got my hands on this book for the holiday. Good read so far.

“Lainey Newman and Theda Skocpol provide timely insight into the relationship between the decline of unions and the shift of working-class voters away from Democrats. Drawing on interviews, union newsletters, and ethnographic analysis, they pinpoint the significance of eroding local community ties and identities. Using western Pennsylvania as a case study, Newman and Skocpol argue that union members’ loyalty to Democratic candidates was as much a product of the group identity that unions fostered as it was a response to the Democratic Party’s economic policies. As the social world around organized labor dissipated, conservative institutions like gun clubs, megachurches, and other Republican-leaning groups took its place.

Rust Belt Union Blues sheds new light on why so many union members have dramatically changed their party politics. It makes a compelling case that Democrats are unlikely to rebuild credibility in places like western Pennsylvania unless they find new ways to weave themselves into the daily lives of workers and their families.”


Wow…Theda Skocpol was hot stuff when I was a grad student with some of my profs in history - especially Gil Joseph.

THIS was the text..,


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These idiots will be the very definition of fuck around and find out. Trump won't leave a breathing Palestinian in the Middle East. He will let Israel do whatever they want.
100%

i do not feel sorry for any of them whatsoever. they can all go fuck themselves. the uncommitted and abandon people, that is. not all of the folks in the ME who will suffer.
 
"Abandon Harris" movement does a post mortem:confused:

By no means do I believe the Muslim vote was a primary cause of Harris' loss, but I wouldn't expect Muslims in general, especially those who are Jihadist/terrorist sympathizers, to find much hope in either of the two main US political parties as it relates to the war. That's a good thing.
 
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By no means do I believe the Muslim vote was a primary cause of Harris' loss, but I wouldn't expect Muslims in general, especially those who are Jihadist/terrorist sympathizers, to find much hope in either of the two main US political parties as it relates to the war. That's a good thing.
Which, to you, is probably most Muslims.
 
I wouldn't expect Muslims in general, especially those who are Jihadist/terrorist sympathizers, to find much hope in either of the two main US political parties as it relates to the war. That's a good thing.

Yes, Muslims in general are more critical of our reflexive pro-Israel stance on a whole bunch of issues.

Why do you think that Muslims who oppose our policies in the region are "terrorist sympathizers"? You can be 1000% opposed to Likud and not be a "terrorist sympathizer".
 
"Abandon Harris" movement does a post mortem:confused:

Quotes like this make no sense to me: “President Trump, he continuously came and he was in the community. While I don’t believe that he’s going to enact policies that will benefit the community, he at least showed that he was willing to show up for the community,” Misner said.

If you don't believe his policies will benefit the community, does it really matter if he stops by?
 
Yes, Muslims in general are more critical of our reflexive pro-Israel stance on a whole bunch of issues.
What you call a pro-Israel stance, many would call anti-terrorist stance.
Why do you think that Muslims who oppose our policies in the region are "terrorist sympathizers"? You can be 1000% opposed to Likud and not be a "terrorist sympathizer".
I specifically differentiated between Muslims and Jihadist/terrorist sympathizers because I don't believe all Muslims, even those who want Israel wiped off the Earth, automatically support Jihadism and terrorism.
 
I don't believe all Muslims, even those who want Israel wiped off the Earth, automatically support Jihadism and terrorism.

Well that is mighty white of you.

Just curious, if you had to just throw a dart at it, what percentage of Muslims in the world do you think support violent Jihadism? Is it more like 1%, 10%, 25%, or 50%? Or higher?
 

Long read but worth it. Something a lot of liberal posters here need to read.
interesting read. Thanks for sharing!

The change in the USA from a manufacturing economy to a service economy is a huge issue that neither party has appeared to address in any meaningful way.

I recall Obama said something along the lines of 'those manufacturing jobs are not coming back' to the USA, due to globalization.

Are tariffs on China and other 'low cost countries' going to bring back American manufacturing jobs, especially given increasing AI and automation? I'm highly skeptical. The only thing that might bring those jobs back would be for those LCCs to become like the USA, higher-cost countries. But then global capitalists will simple move on to other LCCs, maybe in Africa, or where ever else in the world cheap labor can be found.
 
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interesting read. Thanks for sharing!

The change in the USA from a manufacturing economy to a service economy is a huge issue that neither party has appeared to address in any meaningful way.

I recall Obama said something along the lines of 'those manufacturing jobs are not coming back' to the USA, due to globalization.

Are tariffs on China and other 'low cost countries' going to bring back American manufacturing jobs, especially given increasing AI and automation? I'm highly skeptical. The only thing that might bring those jobs back would be for those LCCs to become like the USA, higher-cost countries. But then global capitalists will simple move on to other LCCs, maybe in Africa, or where ever else in the world a cheap labor can be found.
manufacturing is a great example of people talking out of both sides of their mouths.

They claim to want the manufacturing jobs back, yet they want the really low cost of goods that is a result of manufacturing in countries like China.

I would love to see all of those manufacturing jobs come back. Then watch the outcry when the $5 T shirt from Wal-Mart suddenly cost $30.

I mean they way they got up in arms over eggs going up to $6-8 a dozen, can you imagine when their new iPhone cost $3500?

Due to the cost of living and the wages in the US, there are some manufacturing jobs that it really doesn't make sense to come back.

I don't believe tariffs bring back the manufacturing jobs either. It's not simple, easy, or cheap to open up a manufacturing facility. It's not happening overnight.

And those factors look even more challenging when the manufacturing if of low margin goods and the jobs they produce are naturally low paying.
 
I think the more pertinent question re: manufacturing is not how many of those jobs we can bring back, it’s how do we replace the community bonds that these industrial jobs and their industrial unions created?

The role that unions play(ed) in reinforcing democracy has been severely underrated.
How would one replace community bonds without the people having what they would consider meaningful employment, such as that provided by manufacturing jobs versus service sector jobs? They already have religion, family, community, but it seems like the so-called working class also need jobs that make them happy/proud/content. Does the service sector provide these jobs?
 
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