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Perhaps - but there are plenty of service jobs that in addition to poor pay are also apparently unnecessarily demeaning. Terrible combo.
 
donbosco said:
Perhaps - but there are plenty of service jobs that in addition to poor pay are also apparently unnecessarily demeaning. Terrible combo.
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People want meaning and a sense of purpose from their work. Service work can provide that, but, as you say, the structure of work in our society is almost always demeaning.
 
Some types of service industries can and do provide the kind of environment that leads to community. Places like large hotels and resorts often have core groups who work there for long periods of time. This is also true of airlines as an example. However, so.many services have become individualized like driving for UBER or delivering for Amazon or Doordash. That has no possibility at all of being meaningful for most beyond the pay or tips they receive that day.

Largely one could draw the line at employees versus independent contractors in today's environment. It isnt perfect, but it does serve as a starting point for work with a community versus work without.
 
UNCatTech said:
Quotes like this make no sense to me: “President Trump, he continuously came and he was in the community. While I don’t believe that he’s going to enact policies that will benefit the community, he at least showed that he was willing to show up for the community,” Misner said.

If you don't believe his policies will benefit the community, does it really matter if he stops by?
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yeah, that piece is full of quotes that are just absolutely nonsensical and contradictory.

this country is well and truly fucked.
 
Americans could stand a little more understanding of working to live instead of living to work. Any job can be done well or sloppily and satisfaction isn't all about the money you make.

I would have benefited in a lot of ways if I had worked harder to make more but I don't regret that I never missed any of my kids' activities because that was more important to me.
 
4thgenheel said:
in today's FAFO headlines:

www.nytimes.com

The Alienation of Jaime Cachua

His friends and family members in Rome, Ga., voted to support mass deportation. Now he’s scrambling to stay in the country.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

anyone have a gift link for this so i can read and laugh at these fucking morons?
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I don't have a subscription but I was able to listen to The Daily podcast about it a couple of days ago. Looks like that's behind the paywall now, though.

Here's what you need to know. Kid is brought over from Mexico while young. Grows up in a small Georgia town. Becomes thoroughly Americanized. Becomes a great citizen of this town. Marries a white girl from the town and is a great father. But he's not a US citizen. After the election, his FIL, who loves him dearly, tells him he voted for Trump and can't imagine why his SIL is so worried about possibly being deported. The SIL tells his FIL what Trump said repeatedly in the campaign. FIL says Trump is only going after criminals, not people like his SIL. SIL makes it very clear to FIL that's not what Trump said in the campaign and not what he's been saying in setting up his new administration. FIL doesn't believe him even now.

In the meantime, SIL and his wife visit an immigration lawyer in Atlanta who says SIL is VERY much at risk. But SIL can't afford to do the things that could potentially protect him, and even those things would put him at great risk of being separated from his family. So as of today, they have no idea what to do.

In short, FIL is the callatoroy of this story. When calla says people here have TDS, that's what FIL is basically telling his supposedly beloved SIL.
 
finesse said:
Americans could stand a little more understanding of working to live instead of living to work. Any job can be done well or sloppily and satisfaction isn't all about the money you make.

I would have benefited in a lot of ways if I had worked harder to make more but I don't regret that I never missed any of my kids' activities because that was more important to me.
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Ask any public school teacher who truly loves kids and loves teaching kids but deals with ridiculous parents, unnecessary administration meddling, has to buy her own supplies and is not paid enough for any of it.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Some types of service industries can and do provide the kind of environment that leads to community. Places like large hotels and resorts often have core groups who work there for long periods of time. This is also true of airlines as an example. However, so.many services have become individualized like driving for UBER or delivering for Amazon or Doordash. That has no possibility at all of being meaningful for most beyond the pay or tips they receive that day.

Largely one could draw the line at employees versus independent contractors in today's environment. It isnt perfect, but it does serve as a starting point for work with a community versus work without.
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Over the years I've read many articles that seem to fit into this.

Studies that show clearly that pay isn't the top variable in job satisfaction. Many companies that promote that sense of belonging and family retain employees better and are not the top paying employers in their industry.

Also, interesting how so many talk about bringing back manufacturing, but from what I've read manufacturing was a primary catalyst in splitting work from life and community. Before the consolidation of work in factories peoples work was a bigger part of their life and their community. This thought makes the show Severance a very interesting concept as it takes separation of work and life to the extreme.
 
lawtig02 said:
I don't have a subscription but I was able to listen to The Daily podcast about it a couple of days ago. Looks like that's behind the paywall now, though.

Here's what you need to know. Kid is brought over from Mexico while young. Grows up in a small Georgia town. Becomes thoroughly Americanized. Becomes a great citizen of this town. Marries a white girl from the town and is a great father. But he's not a US citizen. After the election, his FIL, who loves him dearly, tells him he voted for Trump and can't imagine why his SIL is so worried about possibly being deported. The SIL tells his FIL what Trump said repeatedly in the campaign. FIL says Trump is only going after criminals, not people like his SIL. SIL makes it very clear to FIL that's not what Trump said in the campaign and not what he's been saying in setting up his new administration. FIL doesn't believe him even now.

In the meantime, SIL and his wife visit an immigration lawyer in Atlanta who says SIL is VERY much at risk. But SIL can't afford to do the things that could potentially protect him, and even those things would put him at great risk of being separated from his family. So as of today, they have no idea what to do.

In short, FIL is the callatoroy of this story. When calla says people here have TDS, that's what FIL is basically telling his supposedly beloved SIL.
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Which poster also stated that technically they are all criminals since they are here illegally? So the FIL should have realized that trump felt this way, they are all criminals and he's going after the criminals.
 
4thgenheel said:
in today's FAFO headlines:

www.nytimes.com

The Alienation of Jaime Cachua

His friends and family members in Rome, Ga., voted to support mass deportation. Now he’s scrambling to stay in the country.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

anyone have a gift link for this so i can read and laugh at these fucking morons?
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Discussed here with a gift link courtesy of altmin...

altmin

Politics Post in thread 'Mass Deportation and Immigration Catch-All | Trump EO - repurpose Guantanamo Bay to hold 30k immigrants'

www.nytimes.com

The Alienation of Jaime Cachua

His friends and family members in Rome, Ga., voted to support mass deportation. Now he’s scrambling to stay in the country.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

gift article
 
Paine said:
Careful now, you’re sounding awfully red.
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Karl Marx's theory of alienation describes the separation and estrangement of people from their work, their wider world, their human nature, and their selves. Alienation is a consequence of the division of labour in a capitalist society, wherein a human being's life is lived as a mechanistic part of a social class.
 
lawtig02 said:
I don't have a subscription but I was able to listen to The Daily podcast about it a couple of days ago. Looks like that's behind the paywall now, though.

Here's what you need to know. Kid is brought over from Mexico while young. Grows up in a small Georgia town. Becomes thoroughly Americanized. Becomes a great citizen of this town. Marries a white girl from the town and is a great father. But he's not a US citizen. After the election, his FIL, who loves him dearly, tells him he voted for Trump and can't imagine why his SIL is so worried about possibly being deported. The SIL tells his FIL what Trump said repeatedly in the campaign. FIL says Trump is only going after criminals, not people like his SIL. SIL makes it very clear to FIL that's not what Trump said in the campaign and not what he's been saying in setting up his new administration. FIL doesn't believe him even now.

In the meantime, SIL and his wife visit an immigration lawyer in Atlanta who says SIL is VERY much at risk. But SIL can't afford to do the things that could potentially protect him, and even those things would put him at great risk of being separated from his family. So as of today, they have no idea what to do.

In short, FIL is the callatoroy of this story. When calla says people here have TDS, that's what FIL is basically telling his supposedly beloved SIL.
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my guy.

thank you. sounds about right.
 
JCTarheel82 said:
Discussed here with a gift link courtesy of altmin...

altmin

Politics Post in thread 'Mass Deportation and Immigration Catch-All | Trump EO - repurpose Guantanamo Bay to hold 30k immigrants'

www.nytimes.com

The Alienation of Jaime Cachua

His friends and family members in Rome, Ga., voted to support mass deportation. Now he’s scrambling to stay in the country.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

gift article
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i feel bad for jaime and his wife and kids.

the FIL trumper is a fucking idiot, of course.
 
UNCatTech said:
Over the years I've read many articles that seem to fit into this.

Studies that show clearly that pay isn't the top variable in job satisfaction. Many companies that promote that sense of belonging and family retain employees better and are not the top paying employers in their industry.

Also, interesting how so many talk about bringing back manufacturing, but from what I've read manufacturing was a primary catalyst in splitting work from life and community. Before the consolidation of work in factories peoples work was a bigger part of their life and their community. This thought makes the show Severance a very interesting concept as it takes separation of work and life to the extreme.
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Want to know what i view as the real culprit? Corporations. Companies that are beholden to shareholders will never be positive influences in American society or the workforce. Businesses for the most part need to be small enough and closely held enough that the "boss" knows nearly everyone in the company. The further we gwt away from that, the more we will see overall levels of dissatisfaction with work and life in general.

Obviously such a thing is impossible to unwind and impractical in some industries, but overall the corporate structure has decimated American worklife.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Want to know what i view as the real culprit? Corporations. Companies that are beholden to shareholders will never be positive influences in American society or the workforce. Businesses for the most part need to be small enough and closely held enough that the "boss" knows nearly everyone in the company. The further we gwt away from that, the more we will see overall levels of dissatisfaction with work and life in general.

Obviously such a thing is impossible to unwind and impractical in some industries, but overall the corporate structure has decimated American worklife.
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I agree with this in many ways. Though I have read that some corporations are very aware and active in ensuring work life balance.

I've seen this in my company. I do greatly appreciate my direct team and how family oriented they are. But, since we spun off and are a stand alone publicly traded company, it has changed a lot.

Some co-workers and I were discussing how our company used to have very nice elaborate Christmas parties, but we no longer have those. Each year, we see less and less of that type of thing. Years ago we would have two major activities a year. One for family, one for couples. They were really nice events.

We haven't had one of those since 2020.

This year our sad little "Holiday Meal" was more of a reminder of how these things are no longer important than it was an event. We didn't even have enough seating, half the people got their meals and went back to their offices to eat alone.

I'm sure if this were taken to sight leadership their response would boil down to: "You get a nice bonus when the company does better".
Which is true, but if they cut the bonus by $200-400 a person to cover a Christmas party, I believe they would get better overall response.

I do understand that there are a lot of variables that leadership has to consider. And the company does still put effort into other areas. So, I don't want to sound like it's a net negative, it isn't. But everyone I speak with misses those Christmas parties.
 
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