Why 'America First' Is A Lie

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superrific said:
This poster has done that in spades. One of the more thoughtful and self-reflective people I interact with.
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He has repeatedly, over and over, espoused the good hearted conservative ideals of lower taxes, small government, fiscal responsibility, strong military. I can quote 100's of posts.

I am asking him right now, try your best to ignore me being an asshole, and do your fucking American duty.

Help your friends and family, help everyone you care about.

Please and thank you!
 
I guess this poster learned from his first ban the same way Trump learned from his first impeachment.
 
Shenanigans said:
He has repeatedly, over and over, espoused the good hearted conservative ideals of lower taxes, small government, fiscal responsibility, strong military. I can quote 100's of posts.

I am asking him right now, try your best to ignore me being an asshole, and do your fucking American duty.

Help your friends and family, help everyone you care about.

Please and thank you!
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Part of our American duty is standing up for good hearted people being badgered by assholes of any stripe. Thank you, sirrah.
 
finesse said:
Part of our American duty is standing up for good hearted people being badgered by assholes of any stripe. Thank you, sirrah.
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I agree, CFord is good hearted, unfortunately he just isn't very helpful in our current situation, which he 100% helped create
 
Shenanigans said:
He has repeatedly, over and over, espoused the good hearted conservative ideals of lower taxes, small government, fiscal responsibility, strong military. I can quote 100's of posts.

I am asking him right now, try your best to ignore me being an asshole, and do your fucking American duty.

Help your friends and family, help everyone you care about.

Please and thank you!
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This is the kind of stuff that turns people off to liberals. "Either immediately get out there and start convincing Trumpers to change their vote or you're part of the problem." The vast majority of people aren't really that political and telling them that they need to devote themselves to constant political debates or be branded as a problem is a great way to get them to roll their eyes and ignore you.
 
Shenanigans said:
I agree, CFord is good hearted, unfortunately he just isn't very helpful in our current situation, which he 100% helped create
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Another example of completely unhelpful rhetoric. Do you want to say "I told you so" or do you want to get to a better place? Insisting that the only way forward is for tens of millions of Americans to self-flagellate in front of you is incredibly counterproductive. "I told you so" doesn't win hearts or change anyone's mind.
 
rodoheel said:
This is the kind of stuff that turns people off to liberals. "Either immediately get out there and start convincing Trumpers to change their vote or you're part of the problem." The vast majority of people aren't really that political and telling them that they need to devote themselves to constant political debates or be branded as a problem is a great way to get them to roll their eyes and ignore you.
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I agree. I was polite for 8+ years. Telling no one they were a problem. Empathizing with rubes. That led to a conservative dictatorship. It is here. I have already explained this in great detail.

Fuck all this bullshit about liberals are the problem. They might make you feel uncomfortable, but stupid rubes are 💯% the problem. If you don’t realize that, I guess I'll take photos of trump and elon fucking you, and sell it on the dark web.
 
rodoheel said:
Another example of completely unhelpful rhetoric. Do you want to say "I told you so" or do you want to get to a better place? Insisting that the only way forward is for tens of millions of Americans to self-flagellate in front of you is incredibly counterproductive. "I told you so" doesn't win hearts or change anyone's mind.
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I'm not trying to change minds, I am guilting people purposefully into realizing they are the reason their lives, their friends and family, and everyone they know is fucked. That's all
 
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Shenanigans said:
I agree. I was polite for 8+ years. Telling no one they were a problem. Empathizing with rubes. That led to a conservative dictatorship. It is here. I have already explained this in great detail.

Fuck all this bullshit about liberals are the problem. They might make you feel uncomfortable, but stupid rubes are 💯% the problem. If you don’t realize that, I guess I'll take photos of trump and elon fucking you, and sell it on the dark web.
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You are either obtusely or intentionally misrepresenting what I'm saying. Nowhere did I claim that liberals were the problem. We are not talking about what the problem is; we know what the problem is. We are talking about what the solution is. And browbeating people with blame games will solve exactly nothing. It may make you feel better, but if will not get us any closer to solving anything. Especially not when the target of your ire has already done the whole public "mea culpa" thing numerous times, which is more than you're gonna get from most people.

The only way to save this country without violence or revolution is through persuasion. if we give up on persuasion, we are condemning ourselves to violence and resolution. if you want to run around going "everyone who ever voted for Trump is a piece of shit, fuck all of you" then be my guest. But don't delude yourself into thinking you're accomplishing anything other than further hardening people who may be persuadable away from your position.
 
rodoheel said:
Another example of completely unhelpful rhetoric. Do you want to say "I told you so" or do you want to get to a better place? Insisting that the only way forward is for tens of millions of Americans to self-flagellate in front of you is incredibly counterproductive. "I told you so" doesn't win hearts or change anyone's mind.
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There is no better place, it is gone. I know that, you should realize it right now.

There is no I told you so. Only people you care about being fucked. I'm telling people who can make a difference eventually during the inevitable war to fucking do something. Does that make sense?
 
Shenanigans said:
There is no better place, it is gone. I know that, you should realize it right now.

There is no I told you so. Only people you care about being fucked. I'm telling people who can make a difference eventually during the inevitable war to fucking do something. Does that make sense?
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This is cynicism to the point of nihilism. Acting like the only thing possibly left is Civil War and/or mass global war? Give me a break. I understand the despair in general but all you really seem to be doing is absolving yourself of any responsibility to try to fix the problem because (1) you didn't cause it, and (2) you think it's unsolvable. Quit on the world and resign yourself to nihilism and selfishness if you want to, but the rest of us will go along still trying to make the world a better place tomorrow than it is today.
 
rodoheel said:
You are either obtusely or intentionally misrepresenting what I'm saying. Nowhere did I claim that liberals were the problem. We are not talking about what the problem is; we know what the problem is. We are talking about what the solution is. And browbeating people with blame games will solve exactly nothing. It may make you feel better, but if will not get us any closer to solving anything. Especially not when the target of your ire has already done the whole public "mea culpa" thing numerous times, which is more than you're gonna get from most people.

The only way to save this country without violence or revolution is through persuasion. if we give up on persuasion, we are condemning ourselves to violence and resolution. if you want to run around going "everyone who ever voted for Trump is a piece of shit, fuck all of you" then be my guest. But don't delude yourself into thinking you're accomplishing anything other than further hardening people who may be persuadable away from your position.
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I have bad news. We can only save this country through revolution.

I wish you well in your persuasion efforts. They will be fruitless. I have met 10k trumpers. They are dumber than rocks.

I have become pessimistic, I am in no way delusional, and I look forward to the rest of the decent humans eventually realizing that trumpers are a dangerous cult, they have fucked this country for decades and they need to be destroyed.

Holla at me when you are serious. I'm dead serious.
 
rodoheel said:
This is cynicism to the point of nihilism. Acting like the only thing possibly left is Civil War and/or mass global war? Give me a break. I understand the despair in general but all you really seem to be doing is absolving yourself of any responsibility to try to fix the problem because (1) you didn't cause it, and (2) you think it's unsolvable. Quit on the world and resign yourself to nihilism and selfishness if you want to, but the rest of us will go along still trying to make the world a better place tomorrow than it is today.
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What should i do? Have 100's of reasonable discussions with trumper southern family and friends like I have for 10 years? Is that not enough for you? I have done exponentially more trying to make the world a better place than you. This is true. Ignore my internet persona.

I am responding to real time threats.

Keep being pretentious and selfish. While thinking you are fighting the good, moderate, respectful fight that will make the world eventually love you.
 
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