Why 'America First' Is A Lie

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MOUNTAINH33L said:
I am happy to have anyone that has broken away from the MAGA movement in our corner. You are welcome here. Come home, my brothers and sisters. Let's sip on some tea and argue about sports and the ending of Inception like we did back in day.
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I was in that place, for many years. Hell, I convinced my father to move toward decency after he told me he just couldn't vote for hillary in 2016. I now know 30ish people fired, rescinded offers for the fed govt. I know 100ish in state government who are affected substantially, red and blue, contractors. Etc. These are the top 5% of employee talent.

Fuck these people. The sooner you understand that, the sooner you know what is inevitable
 
Shenanigans said:
I was in that place, for many years. Hell, I convinced my father to move toward decency after he told me he just couldn't vote for hillary in 2016. I now know 30ish people fired, rescinded offers for the fed govt. I know 100ish in state government who are affected substantially, red and blue, contractors. Etc. These are the top 5% of employee talent.

Fuck these people. The sooner you understand that, the sooner you know what is inevitable
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a lot of dyed in the wool maga folk are not salvageable but plenty of the people who voted for him in the last election are not hardcore maga.

many of those people's minds can and will be changed but your approach will usually not be helpful in that endeavor.
 
Shenanigans said:
What should i do? Have 100's of reasonable discussions with trumper southern family and friends like I have for 10 years? Is that not enough for you? I have done exponentially more trying to make the world a better place than you. This is true. Ignore my internet persona.

I am responding to real time threats.

Keep being pretentious and selfish. While thinking you are fighting the good, moderate, respectful fight that will make the world eventually love you.
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The lack of self-awareness is astounding. You told someone to stop being "pretentious and selfish" in the same post where you said "I have done exponentially more trying to make the world a better place than you" to a stranger you don't know. Even if you're right (who could ever judge such a thing?) it's about the most pretentious thing you could possibly say.

Suffice it to say from your "internet persona" that I have a hard time believing any conversation you have could be characterized as a "reasonable discussion." You come on here with absolute conviction that you are morally and intellectually superior and purport to condescend to all of us why simultaneously playing the victim. i understand very well why it may be psychologically easier to just conclude that we're all fucked and nothing that you do matters so you may as well give up on the world and other people. That's the easy way out because it absolves you of any personal or societal responsibility. But don't pretend it's anything other than a self-serving defense mechanism.
 
4thgenheel said:
a lot of dyed in the wool maga folk are not salvageable but plenty of the people who voted for him in the last election are not hardcore maga.

many of those people's minds can and will be changed but your approach will usually not be helpful in that endeavor.
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I respect where you are coming from, but there is 0 evidence that a kind, reasonable, polite approach will do anything to convince Maga or their apologists. I tried it, extensively, and Magats said fuck your feelings.

Liberals, you do not need to respond to me. I am here to let Magats know, fuck their feelings, and to let them know exactly where this path leads.

I don't need liberals to reprimand my tactics, disagree with me, or convince me of a different approach. My approach has been refined psychologically for 20 years.

If you are liberal,ignore me. If you are a stupid conservative, Bible-beating rube, I will destroy you.
 
rodoheel said:
The lack of self-awareness is astounding. You told someone to stop being "pretentious and selfish" in the same post where you said "I have done exponentially more trying to make the world a better place than you" to a stranger you don't know. Even if you're right (who could ever judge such a thing?) it's about the most pretentious thing you could possibly say.

Suffice it to say from your "internet persona" that I have a hard time believing any conversation you have could be characterized as a "reasonable discussion." You come on here with absolute conviction that you are morally and intellectually superior and purport to condescend to all of us why simultaneously playing the victim. i understand very well why it may be psychologically easier to just conclude that we're all fucked and nothing that you do matters so you may as well give up on the world and other people. That's the easy way out because it absolves you of any personal or societal responsibility. But don't pretend it's anything other than a self-serving defense mechanism.
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I am at least as self aware as you. Focus your efforts on your enemy, please
 
Shenanigans said:
I respect where you are coming from, but there is 0 evidence that a kind, reasonable, polite approach will do anything to convince Maga or their apologists. I tried it, extensively, and Magats said fuck your feelings.

Liberals, you do not need to respond to me. I am here to let Magats know, fuck their feelings, and to let them know exactly where this path leads.

I don't need liberals to reprimand my tactics, disagree with me, or convince me of a different approach. My approach has been refined psychologically for 20 years.

If you are liberal,ignore me. If you are a stupid conservative, Bible-beating rube, I will destroy you.
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again tho, we aren't trying to convince the hardcore maga folk.

we're trying to convince the useful idiots who voted for him because they didn't like the covid years and blame the biden admin for that recovery process and inflation even though the biden admin did more to stanch the bleeding than almost any other government on the planet.

blaming the sitting admin/political party for covid is a global electoral phenomenon. people are stupid and can't see the forest for the trees and the dems fell prey to that in this past election at a great cost to our country.
 
Shenanigans said:
Lie

Good luck fighting fascism, you will need much more than your imagined superiority when they actually come for you. It is happening.
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I’ve never said LeBron is the GOAT. If you can cite something show it.

I’ll be gone before they come for me.
 
rodoheel said:
The lack of self-awareness is astounding. You told someone to stop being "pretentious and selfish" in the same post where you said "I have done exponentially more trying to make the world a better place than you" to a stranger you don't know. Even if you're right (who could ever judge such a thing?) it's about the most pretentious thing you could possibly say.

Suffice it to say from your "internet persona" that I have a hard time believing any conversation you have could be characterized as a "reasonable discussion." You come on here with absolute conviction that you are morally and intellectually superior and purport to condescend to all of us why simultaneously playing the victim. i understand very well why it may be psychologically easier to just conclude that we're all fucked and nothing that you do matters so you may as well give up on the world and other people. That's the easy way out because it absolves you of any personal or societal responsibility. But don't pretend it's anything other than a self-serving defense mechanism.
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I told YOU, not someone, to stop being pretentious and selfish. I know I'm pretentious but certainly not selfish. I have led volunteer efforts in my community for over 10 years. I have served more than 3k meals to unhoused senior folks. What have you done? Not that.

Stop judging my efforts to try desperately to get people, fucking anyone, to actually care about the end of democracy.

Move on
 
rodoheel said:
This is the kind of stuff that turns people off to liberals. "Either immediately get out there and start convincing Trumpers to change their vote or you're part of the problem." The vast majority of people aren't really that political and telling them that they need to devote themselves to constant political debates or be branded as a problem is a great way to get them to roll their eyes and ignore you.
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Who is/was this guy?
 
4thgenheel said:
again tho, we aren't trying to convince the hardcore maga folk.

we're trying to convince the useful idiots who voted for him because they didn't like the covid years and blame the biden admin for that recovery process and inflation even though the biden admin did more to stanch the bleeding than almost any other government on the planet.

blaming the sitting admin/political party for covid is a global electoral phenomenon. people are stupid and can't see the forest for the trees and the dems fell prey to that in this past election at a great cost to our country.
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I hear you. Plenty of those folks.

I unfortunately don't think that matters anymore. They have all 3 branches, and have already accomplished 25% of project 2025 in 1 month. It's a 6 month plan, for permanent conservative rule.

Yes, please keep trying to convince those people. I have the past 4 years.

Keep hoping for reasonable actions from unwitting trump voters and gop politicians, but please, prepare yourself for much worse than that.
 
Shenanigans said:
I appreciate you saying all this now. But it's too little, too late. Like UNC basketball, I wanted Hubert to press nonstop this season to exploit our guard advantages. Now we have to improbably beat dook, or get lucky in the ACC tournament just to make the tourney.

Without you ever addressing your conservative bias as to why we are currently in this fucking shithole, it is beyond disingenuous.

Trump represents who you were. Address that, and convince some rednecks, please, to help themselves.
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It's from the article he didn't write that. :unsure:
 
Shenanigans said:
I agree he is very, very thoughtful, but you must question your ingrained biases for progress to happen.

Progress must happen immediately. I need idealistic conservatives ready to confront trumpers
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I'm missing your point.

There are several of us here who one voted conservative and now are very much against the current shift to the right and especially trump. We do talk to people but we can't beat our beliefs into them.
 
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