Why Did Republicans Abandon Conservatism?

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superrific said:
LOL. You didn't read it. 65 references and research papers listed, by my count.
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I didn't read the whole thing. I'm guessing you didn't either because it talks about important variables. Start reading at "How do work experience, schedules, and motherhood affect the gender wage gap?" and you'll find that the biggest factor in lower wages has nothing to do with a nefarious scheme to under pay women. It has to do with choices women make related to life priorities. My wife didn't work for 10 years while she raised our kids. She's a teacher who would spend significant portions of her weekends, before kids, in her classroom getting things ready for the upcoming week. Even after she went back to work, she almost never worked on weekends because she wanted to be home with the kids.

Men, as the article references, are more likely to be available for extra hours. They are more reliable because it's often the woman who stays home with sick kids or decided to work part time due to priorities. Yes, more available and reliable employees are are more likely to a) work more overtime, b) make more money and c) be promoted.

I mean, it's all right there in your article. There's no collusion to underpay women. Men and women are generally different, have different roles and priorities.

So what? People make decisions. We have very smart MALES, who have been offered promotions and turn them down because they want to work their 8-4 job, punch out and go coach their kids flag football team without distractions.

They don't want my job which involves being up, sometimes until 4am, to roll-out, test and troubleshoot firewall changes or involves working sometimes ridiculous hours because you have to train someone in Krakow or Dublin.
 
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Lando said:
There’s a reason why the intellectual dark web folks love to debate each other. They get clowned by everyone else.
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I don't know why these fools try to argue with me about these issues. I almost always know the topic (or else I wouldn't be talking about it, and if I don't, I admit that), and I always bring receipts.

It's like when people who played some high school basketball think they can beat NBA players. They don't see how much time, prep and work goes into being even the worst NBA player. They just see a guy like Brian Scalabrine struggle to guard Lebron James and figure he has no game at all.



I probably read more policy in a week than these posters have read in their lives. Maybe not at the moment -- it might take me a month or so, but when I was teaching, absolutely.
 
ZenMode said:
I didn't read the whole thing. I'm guessing you didn't either because it talks about important variables. Start reading at "How do work experience, schedules, and motherhood affect the gender wage gap?" and you'll find that the biggest factor in lower wages has nothing to do with a nefarious scheme to under pay women. It has to do with choices women make related to life priorities. My wife didn't work for 10 years while she raised our kids. She's a teacher who would spend significant portions of her weekends, before kids, in her classroom getting things ready for the upcoming week. Even after she went back to work, she almost never worked on weekends because she wanted to be home with the kids.

Men, as the article references, are more likely to be available for extra hours. They are more reliable because it's often the woman who stays home with sick kids or decided to work part time due to priorities. Yes, more available and reliable employees are are more likely to a) work more overtime, b) make more money and c) be promoted.

I mean, it's all right there in your article. There's no collusion to underpay women. Men and women are generally different, have different roles and priorities.

So what? People make decisions. We have very smart MALES, who have been offered promotions and turn them down because they want to work their 8-4 job, punch out and go coach their kids flag football team without distractions.

They don't want my job which involves being up, sometimes until 4am, to roll-out, test and troubleshoot firewall changes or involves working sometimes ridiculous hours because you have to train someone in Krakow or Dublin.
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@superrific

So, yes, you were right. There is a gender pay gap....and it's perfectly explainable and understandable given difference between men and women and their choices/roles.
 
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ZenMode said:
∆∆∆ In other words ∆∆∆∆

Yes, there is a gender pay gap and it exists because, surprise!, genders are different in ways that directly impact their wage earning ability, not because

@superrific

So, yes, you were right. There is a gender pay gap....and it's perfectly explainable and understandable given difference between men and women and their choices/roles.
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LOL. I'm not doing this with you any more. I have no time to bandy crooked words with a witless worm. Suffice it to say, none of it is explainable by differences between sexes or genders. You just made that up.
 
superrific said:
LOL. I'm not doing this with you any more. I have no time to bandy crooked words with a witless worm. Suffice it to say, none of it is explainable by differences between sexes or genders. You just made that up.
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Well...you posted the wrong article, apparently, because that's precisely what YOUR article says.
 
ZenMode said:
Well...you posted the wrong article, apparently, because that's precisely what YOUR article says.
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No, it does not say that. I was, of course, referring to the unexplained portion of the pay gap. You know, as discussed here:

"As noted, the unexplained, or residual, portion of the pay gap is the difference in pay between men and women who are observationally identical. Some argue that one of the difficult-to-measure factors is differences in productivity that are unrelated to influences such as educational level and experience. Some argue that women’s disproportionate childcare responsibilities may make them less productive.

Studies that have directly explored worker productivity show little evidence of a motherhood penalty on productivity. . . In fact, research on impressions of women in the workplace suggests women’s productivity might in fact be systematically underestimated"

Not going to be baited into further bullshit. Do what you do.
 
superrific said:
No, it does not say that. I was, of course, referring to the unexplained portion of the pay gap. You know, as discussed here:

"As noted, the unexplained, or residual, portion of the pay gap is the difference in pay between men and women who are observationally identical. Some argue that one of the difficult-to-measure factors is differences in productivity that are unrelated to influences such as educational level and experience. Some argue that women’s disproportionate childcare responsibilities may make them less productive.

Studies that have directly explored worker productivity show little evidence of a motherhood penalty on productivity. . . In fact, research on impressions of women in the workplace suggests women’s productivity might in fact be systematically underestimated"

Not going to be baited into further bullshit. Do what you do.
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You are now pivoting from realities of your article to research on productivity. Maybe productive is equalizing, especially due to the recent normalization of working at home, but that doesn't mean that new norms immediately result in wage gaps narrowing.

Again, YOUR article breaks down the reasons for the pay gap and I didn't see misogyny in there. The reasons for the pay gap make sense In a world where businesses are trying to maximize performance and profitability.

There's no effective way to perfectly measure many variables in this situation because so many are related to subjective measures. You can't accurately measure how leaving the work force, as mothers tend to do, impacts future wages. You can't measure personality differences between men and women as it relates to drive to get into management. You can quantify how being unreliable due to sick kids or school breaks impacts promotions and pay and pretending to do so, for political benefit, is a scam by Dems.
 
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MOUNTAINH33L said:
That may be true, but every night I come home from a hard days work and Jesse Watters and Laura Ingraham explain to me how the Dems/woke/liberals/gays/brown people are keeping me from realizing my true socioeconomic potential. I mean they wouldn't lie to me would they? I know in my gut that what they say must be true because it feels so good to hear them say it.
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They wouldn't lie, unless their ratings were down.
 
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Trump is working for Putin and Chyna.

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Trump passes the baton of technological leadership to China — Jeffrey D. Sachs

At the core of a country’s global competitiveness is its ability to innovate. As economist Joseph Schumpeter observed in his classic “Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy,’’ capitalism is characterized by waves of “creative destruction,” in which advances in technology create new industries while de
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Just now seeing this thread and not contributing anything profound or that hasn't already been stated (as quickly as the first response here).

But it's as simple as this, CFord: conservatism is about hierarchy. Liberalism is about equality. Hierarchy v. equality is the most basic de-pantsing of politics.

Everything else is tertiary. As others have stated, conservatives will abandon all principles in a flash if they think it means upholding hierarchy. Nothing else means anything.

I'm sorry, but you were lied to, just as I was. I look at even my parents now and realize they're just people. Nothing more or less.

Thought Dad was coming around after Jan. 6th but after visiting back home this past Christmas I saw he was much more concerned about how the whole world was apparently becoming unglued because some guys in Charlotte shot through a school bus in December in some gang interchange.

In truth, his vote for Trump will kill far more people. And is far worse. He may as well join a gang and go gangbanging, because he has never (nor will he ever) accomplished anything for society more than them. Other than just working a job.

But that's the point: it's not really about principles. It's about power. Rage and power. For the little people, like my dad, it's the sense they still have some control on things they don't understand. And at least I'm better than "that guy." In other words, hierarchy.
 
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ZenMode said:
You are now pivoting from realities of your article to research on productivity. Maybe productive is equalizing, especially due to the recent normalization of working at home, but that doesn't mean that new norms immediately result in wage gaps narrowing.

Again, YOUR article breaks down the reasons for the pay gap and I didn't see misogyny in there. The reasons for the pay gap make sense In a world where businesses are trying to maximize performance and profitability.

There's no effective way to perfectly measure many variables in this situation because so many are related to subjective measures. You can't accurately measure how leaving the work force, as mothers tend to do, impacts future wages. You can't measure personality differences between men and women as it relates to drive to get into management. You can quantify how being unreliable due to sick kids or school breaks impacts promotions and pay and pretending to do so, for political benefit, is a scam by Dems.
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I'm not pivoting. You don't deserve further explanation, but I guess I will explain it to you briefly in terms you can understand.

1. Step one: measure the unadjusted pay gap. You know, the simple division that you referred to above.
2. Next, adjust the pay gap for factors like family commitments, willingness to work long hours, etc. All the factors discussed in the article. When you take those into consideration, the pay gap narrows but does not disappear.
3. So we're left with an unexplained adjusted pay gap. One hypothesis is that the unexplained pay gap -- i.e. the pay gap that persists even when you take into account all those factors you consider so important -- is that it's caused by discrimination. Given how much discrimination exists, discrimination that is directly observable, that seems quite intuitive.

Sure, you can invent your own explanations, because it's unexplained. Maybe it's because women emit pheromones that cause their bosses to be less generous toward them. Maybe it's because lots of women don't know how to buy correctly sized bras, and their breasts are uncomfortable at work, and this makes them seem prickly. You can invent any number of explanations if you're willing to accept sheer speculation as of equal value as documented empirical reality. But in my world, that's called bullshit.

By far the most obvious and plausible explanation is discrimination. This is especially true given that there's even a larger gap for black women. Are you going to chalk that up to racial differences in addition to gender differences? Or maybe you could use Occam's Razor and admit it's discrimination.

If you can't understand this, I can't help you and I doubt anyone else can. This time I'm really done. Go twaddle yourself with dreams and fancies of male superiority if you must. I don't care.
 
This is mostly going to be a rant, but speaks to CFord's questions.

During gestation, we're all essentially the same. Have "female" parts before "male" parts develop. Is it possible that maybe something that happens during that period of time affects certain people in a certain way? I'm speaking of transgender and queer people here. Of course!

That lowlife, Nancy Mace, goes on and on about transgender people in her bathrooms (despite previously supporting them when she thought it advantageous).

I'll be honest with yuns: there are men who make me feel uncomfortable in public restrooms. And I know I'm a man. Relatively robust still. But I don't complain. Because I understand it's a damn public restroom. So, as a member of the public, I deal with it.

The public: deal with it. You may want to sanitize it, but it will always be the public.

Conservatives want everything to be sanitized. They're so damn scared of their own neighbors they insist on having guns ubiquitous. I'm simplifying, but ya'll get my point.

I can't imagine being that damn scared of everything. If you can't handle public life, then do as you said during Covid about vulnerable people and just stay home.

Again, it's about power. About the sense of self weak, servile people gain from feeling a part of the "dominant force."

Any of us with half a brain who ever attended a Southern Baptist service understands this. Just look around at them. Slaves.
 
Healing said:
This might be the most absurd bosiding hill-to-die-upon I’ve seen in quite a while.

Effectively, the data and analysis is hard for me to read, so my unsubstantiated position is supported?
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Young Republican thought leaders fail in a similar fashion. Tons of fact free “logical” arguments take the place of evidence in debates that boil down to “If we assume I’m right then I’m right.” Sea lion leaders create sea lion followers

The entire movement is obnoxious and dumb, but its adherents consider themselves to be brilliant logicians. Or at least they pretend to believe that about themselves because that lie is the only value that incels believe they have.
 
ZenMode said:
I didn't read the whole thing. I'm guessing you didn't either because it talks about important variables. Start reading at "How do work experience, schedules, and motherhood affect the gender wage gap?" and you'll find that the biggest factor in lower wages has nothing to do with a nefarious scheme to under pay women. It has to do with choices women make related to life priorities. My wife didn't work for 10 years while she raised our kids. She's a teacher who would spend significant portions of her weekends, before kids, in her classroom getting things ready for the upcoming week. Even after she went back to work, she almost never worked on weekends because she wanted to be home with the kids.

Men, as the article references, are more likely to be available for extra hours. They are more reliable because it's often the woman who stays home with sick kids or decided to work part time due to priorities. Yes, more available and reliable employees are are more likely to a) work more overtime, b) make more money and c) be promoted.

I mean, it's all right there in your article. There's no collusion to underpay women. Men and women are generally different, have different roles and priorities.

So what? People make decisions. We have very smart MALES, who have been offered promotions and turn them down because they want to work their 8-4 job, punch out and go coach their kids flag football team without distractions.

They don't want my job which involves being up, sometimes until 4am, to roll-out, test and troubleshoot firewall changes or involves working sometimes ridiculous hours because you have to train someone in Krakow or Dublin.
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You being a techbro explains literally EVERYTHING about your posting style and beliefs.
 
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