Why Did Republicans Abandon Conservatism?

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superrific said:
I'm not pivoting. You don't deserve further explanation, but I guess I will explain it to you briefly in terms you can understand.

1. Step one: measure the unadjusted pay gap. You know, the simple division that you referred to above.
2. Next, adjust the pay gap for factors like family commitments, willingness to work long hours, etc. All the factors discussed in the article. When you take those into consideration, the pay gap narrows but does not disappear.
3. So we're left with an unexplained adjusted pay gap. One hypothesis is that the unexplained pay gap -- i.e. the pay gap that persists even when you take into account all those factors you consider so important -- is that it's caused by discrimination. Given how much discrimination exists, discrimination that is directly observable, that seems quite intuitive.

Sure, you can invent your own explanations, because it's unexplained. Maybe it's because women emit pheromones that cause their bosses to be less generous toward them. Maybe it's because lots of women don't know how to buy correctly sized bras, and their breasts are uncomfortable at work, and this makes them seem prickly. You can invent any number of explanations if you're willing to accept sheer speculation as of equal value as documented empirical reality. But in my world, that's called bullshit.

By far the most obvious and plausible explanation is discrimination. This is especially true given that there's even a larger gap for black women. Are you going to chalk that up to racial differences in addition to gender differences? Or maybe you could use Occam's Razor and admit it's discrimination.

If you can't understand this, I can't help you and I doubt anyone else can. This time I'm really done. Go twaddle yourself with dreams and fancies of male superiority if you must. I don't care.
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I'm not inventing anything. I am questioning the ability to accurately quantify things like cultural influence or genetic predispositions, among other things. I get that you want to believe there is a wrong here That needs to be corrected. I get that you probably want, as with many other things, to have the government ride in on its white horse and save women even though they may not need saving.

The fact that you can look at this situation, with so many ambiguous and unmeasurable variables, and believe with absolute certainty that there is discrimination happening, tells me a lot.
 
BillOfRights said:


The great American experiment in democracy is over.
Welcome to fascism/authoritarianism.
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The irony here is that many Republicans, like the J6 rioters, actually believe that they are saving the country from Marxist Democrats. They truly believe that Democrats stole the election. They truly believe that Democrats are trying to do what some believe Trump is doing now.

The social media experiment, which none of us agreed to, isn't really going well so far.
 
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ZenMode said:
The fact that you can look at this situation, with so many ambiguous and unmeasurable variables, and believe with absolute certainty that there is discrimination happening, tells me a lot.
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It tells me you are still incapable of reading. I literally said it wasn't absolute certainty. That's what Occam's Razor means.
 
superrific said:
It tells me you are still incapable of reading. I literally said it wasn't absolute certainty. That's what Occam's Razor means.
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And yet you specifically said, even after going back and forth about the article, that there was an obvious gap due to something unexplained. You referred to that as some kind of discrimination.

We don't know if discrimination plays any role at all. We don't know if there is a wrong here that needs to be corrected.

If there is a pay gap and it is 100% attributable to genetics, cultural differences and life choices, there's absolutely no reason to sound the alarm.

It would be like sounding the alarm over the fact that Hispanic boys tend to play soccer or Hispanic females tend to marry older men.
 
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ZenMode said:
The irony here is that many Republicans, like the J6 riders, actually believe that they are saving the country from Marxist Democrats. They truly believe that Democrats stole the election. They truly believe that Democrats are trying to do what some believe Trump is doing now.

The social media experiment, which none of us agreed to, isn't really going well so far.
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They can believe in the tooth fairy. That doesn't make it true.
 
ZenMode said:
Without having a link there is a 99% chance that this is just based solely on total wages earned, divided by total workers. That doesn't account for any variables which in this case a extremely important.
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But, there are more men working, so wouldn't a simple total wage divided by number of men/women skew the numbers to make the gap smaller?
 
ZenMode said:
∆∆∆ In other words ∆∆∆∆

Yes, there is a gender pay gap and it exists because, surprise!, genders are different in ways that directly impact their wage earning ability, not because

@superrific

So, yes, you were right. There is a gender pay gap....and it's perfectly explainable and understandable given difference between men and women and their choices/roles.
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You're framing it like we're comparing pay differences between a CEO and some working at McDonald's.

Yes there are variables, but I've read articles comparing equal positions where women make less.

Also, why should women be punished for having and taking care of children?

So many other countries actually are prolife and it is evident in their policies toward new mothers, fathers, and children.
 
UNCatTech said:
You're framing it like we're comparing pay differences between a CEO and some working at McDonald's.

Yes there are variables, but I've read articles comparing equal positions where women make less.
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Do female professional basketball players make less than male professional basketball players and is there an issue with that?

Also, why should women be punished for having and taking care of children?

So many other countries actually are prolife and it is evident in their policies toward new mothers, fathers, and children.
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Nobody is being punished. Everyone has to make their own life choices. Like I mentioned earlier, there are incredibly smart people in sales roles at the company I work for. They have been offered promotions and have turned them down. They turn them down because all that they want is an 8-4 job that, when it's done, they can walk out the door and not give it a second, third or fourth thought until the next morning. They are sacrificing promotions and higher pay for something that they want. No one is being punished.

My wife tried to go back to teaching a couple months after our first child was born. She would drop our daughter off at the babysitter's and then go cry in her car because she wanted to be the one to raise her. So she quit working to do what she truly wanted to do, which was raise our kids.

She wasn't being punished. She made a choice to stop working for what ended up being a decade.
 
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ZenMode said:
Do female professional basketball players make less than male professional basketball players and is there an issue with that?



Nobody is being punished. Everyone has to make their own life choices. Like I mentioned earlier, there are incredibly smart people in sales roles at the company I work for. They have been offered promotions and have turned them down. They turn them down because all that they want is an 8-4 job that, when it's done, they can walk out the door and not give it a second, third or fourth thought until the next morning. They are sacrificing promotions and higher pay for something that they want. No one is being punished.

My wife tried to go back to teaching a couple months after our first child was born. She would drop our daughter off at the babysitter's and then go cry in her car because she wanted to be the one to raise her. So she quit working to do what she truly wanted to do, which was raise our kids.

She wasn't being punished. She made a choice to stop working for what ended up being a decade.
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No, in this country the possibility of pregnancy is often held against women in hiring practices. That's punishment for being a woman. It isn't the same as choosing to stay home with a child.

And in regards to you're families choice, I commend you. My family made the same choice and it was well worth it.
 
UNCatTech said:
No, in this country the possibility of pregnancy is often held against women in hiring practices. That's punishment for being a woman. It isn't the same as choosing to stay home with a child.

And in regards to you're families choice, I commend you. My family made the same choice and it was well worth it.
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It may be held against women to, I'm guessing, a small degree.

There is another side to this. I work for a big worldwide company. In the last 10-ish years, in the relatively small circle of people I interact with there have been two times when women have gotten pregnant within 1-3 months of being hired and getting benefits.
 
ZenMode said:
Do female professional basketball players make less than male professional basketball players and is there an issue with that?



Nobody is being punished. Everyone has to make their own life choices. Like I mentioned earlier, there are incredibly smart people in sales roles at the company I work for. They have been offered promotions and have turned them down. They turn them down because all that they want is an 8-4 job that, when it's done, they can walk out the door and not give it a second, third or fourth thought until the next morning. They are sacrificing promotions and higher pay for something that they want. No one is being punished.

My wife tried to go back to teaching a couple months after our first child was born. She would drop our daughter off at the babysitter's and then go cry in her car because she wanted to be the one to raise her. So she quit working to do what she truly wanted to do, which was raise our kids.

She wasn't being punished. She made a choice to stop working for what ended up being a decade.
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The reason WNBA players make a lot less than NBA players is because of revenue generation. For every dollar the NBA generates, the WNBA generates less than 2 cents.
 
ZenMode said:
It may be held against women to, I'm guessing, a small degree.

There is another side to this. I work for a big worldwide company. In the last 10-ish years, in the relatively small circle of people I interact with there have been two times when women have gotten pregnant within 1-3 months of being hired and getting benefits.
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Or course, that was a diabolical plot because birth control never fails.
 
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