Why Did Republicans Abandon Conservatism?

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Paine said:
Probably a smart thing for all of us to do. The worst thing we can do is wallow in a lack of hope, but it goes to the cynicism exchange we had a few days ago.

I come back to this: these reactionaries across the globe are playing with forces that they don’t fully understand. No one knows how this is going to play out in the end. It’s smart to be prepared for the worst, but it’s also important to realize that these people don’t have all the power, and they never will.

We’re never going to go back to a time of human history that predates the Enlightenment and revolution, as much as they want us to. The human spirit naturally rebels against this condition.
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The issue is timeline. Very few of us have a long enough time remaining on this planet to see this circle come back around. We will be talking about a 30-40 year rebuild of society after this mess comes to its likely violent conclusion.
 
lawtig02 said:
Even if the woman took the job so she would have maternity coverage for a planned pregnancy, why would that be a bad thing? I’m not aware of many companies that would see it as a bad thing, as long the woman is qualified to do the job for which she was hired.
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This guy has gone down the following path:

1. Gender pay gap isn't real because it's just simple division
2. OK, I guess the research controls for a few things, but the pay gap is actually about different roles
3. OK, I guess the research also accounts for different roles, but you can't prove that the pay gap is about discrimination
4. OK, I guess there is a lot of discrimination, but you see, two women at my company allegedly became pregnant after receiving benefits so I was right all along!#!1!1

Once again, he is who is -- he's derailed the thread. I participated in the derailing, which is my fault. Let's get it back.
 
I try not to put posters on ignore, but I did to Zen a couple of weeks ago when I finally got sick and tired of his schtick of deliberately taking threads off tangent while arguing in circles and being deliberately dense. He never argues in good faith, he's just a more sophisticated troll who loves playing devil's advocate and seeing how many threads he can derail. And to be honest I don't think I've missed a thing, as his arguments are rarely serious or have a point beyond trolling.
 
Paine said:
So what’s the implication of that? That you shouldn’t care or try because you won’t be here to see it? It has been a fairly recent phenomenon for people to expect a better standard of living in their lifetime, but that didn’t stop people fighting for it.
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No implication whatsoever of intent. Merely an explanation of the cynicism. For those of us caught in the middle of the maelstrom of the extremes of populism, it's sort of hard to see how our efforts do much good. Hell, for all I know, the things I've tried to do right over the last two decades have made it all worse, not better.

My issue with fighting for a better path is that I no longer see that there is a viable path nor the ways to get there. All I can do on a personal level is to treat others with respect and kindness while trying to prevent myself from being one of the casualties of this cultural war that so many seem intent to have.

As for this supposed "fairly recent phenomenon", I'm not so sure of that and even if true, those folks had progeny and family beyond their own years to worry about. I do not. End of the line for me, my family, etc. I've spent nearly as many years as you've been alive fighting like hell for other peoples' kids to have a better path. I'm tired of the battle because it's become clear to me that we lost the war.
 
Paine said:
So what’s the implication of that? That you shouldn’t care or try because you won’t be here to see it? It has been a fairly recent phenomenon for people to expect a better standard of living in their lifetime, but that didn’t stop people fighting for it.
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I'm not sure what you mean by fairly recent. On the surface, I would argue that's it's been a reasonable and common expectation since the time of the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution. Been a pretty bumpy road with dead ends and detours.

You could even say much of it started when the Black Death created such a labor shortage that serfdom ended and the rise of a middle class started.
 
That's reasonable. Just wanted to be sure.

Just have run into a number of arguments on the internet in lo so many years where people act as if real history started about five years after they were born. Didn't think you were that guy but...
 
farce© said:
The whizzing sound you heard was point going right over your head.
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There isn't even a threat of fascism. Trump & Co. are complying with court rulings. When they start saying the opposite, "We are going to ignore the court and do what we want", then we have a constitutional crisis.
 
ZenMode said:
There isn't even a threat of fascism. Trump & Co. are complying with court rulings. When they start saying the opposite, "We are going to ignore the court and do what we want", then we have a constitutional crisis.
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They are just attempting to impeach the judges. I’m sure judges aren’t feeling any intimidation.

Are USAID funds flowing?
 
superrific said:
This guy has gone down the following path:

1. Gender pay gap isn't real because it's just simple division
2. OK, I guess the research controls for a few things, but the pay gap is actually about different roles
3. OK, I guess the research also accounts for different roles, but you can't prove that the pay gap is about discrimination
4. OK, I guess there is a lot of discrimination, but you see, two women at my company allegedly became pregnant after receiving benefits so I was right all along!#!1!1

Once again, he is who is -- he's derailed the thread. I participated in the derailing, which is my fault. Let's get it back.
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The gender pay gap is real, but there's no current reason to believe it's about discrimination based on gender.
 
farce© said:
They are just attempting to impeach the judges. I’m sure judges aren’t feeling any intimidation.

Are USAID funds flowing?
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I don't know all the details. The judge ruled on Thursday that the funding needs to resume. Did all of it immediately resume on Thursday or Friday? I would guess no. It probably takes some time to resume normal processing.

Has Trump or his lawyers said they aren't going to resume?
 
ZenMode said:
I don't know all the details. The judge ruled on Thursday that the funding needs to resume. Did all of it immediately resume on Thursday or Friday? I would guess no. It probably takes some time to resume normal processing.

Has Trump or his lawyers said they aren't going to resume?
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Duke Mu said:
www.pbs.org

Federal judge says Trump administration ignoring his order to pause funding freeze

A federal judge said that President Trump has violated his order to lift a blanket freeze on federal spending and again directed the administration to release the funds. That comes as top prosecutors in nearly half the country sued the administration for withholding medical research funding...
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org
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There's nothing unusual yet. It's normal legal back and forth. Appeals.... clarification.... probably some games being played, but there has been nothing from the Trump admin saying they're going to ignore the courts and do what they want. In fact, the justice department is saying they ARE complying.

Vance's Tweet was more or less a challenge to the courts, but a challenge isn't ignoring rulings. The challenge is, again, normal power struggle type of stuff.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't know all the details. The judge ruled on Thursday that the funding needs to resume. Did all of it immediately resume on Thursday or Friday? I would guess no. It probably takes some time to resume normal processing.

Has Trump or his lawyers said they aren't going to resume?
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Trump has fired much of the staff. Are they rehired.

Trump fired NNSA making the country less safe including nuclear power staff. But the MAGA idiots can't rehire many of them because they don't have private contact information.

www.nbcnews.com

Trump administration wants to un-fire nuclear safety workers but can’t figure out how to reach them

The workers, whose agency oversees the nation’s nuclear stockpile, had been fired on Thursday and lost access to their federal government email accounts.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

America is at much greater risk for a pandemic, terrorist attack, war, inflation, secure and safe energy, jobs (technical, science) lost to China, India...
 
superrific said:
Except for the life experiences of millions of women who have been discriminated against on the basis of gender. GFY.
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Well as long as some women think it, it must be true. Data and evidence be damned! Let's just go with feelings, right?
 
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