Why Did Republicans Abandon Conservatism?

[finesse]

So what’s the implication of that? That you shouldn’t care or try because you won’t be here to see it? It has been a fairly recent phenomenon for people to expect a better standard of living in their lifetime, but that didn’t stop people fighting for it.

I'm not sure what you mean by fairly recent. On the surface, I would argue that's it's been a reasonable and common expectation since the time of the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution. Been a pretty bumpy road with dead ends and detours.

You could even say much of it started when the Black Death created such a labor shortage that serfdom ended and the rise of a middle class started.

 

[finesse]

That's reasonable. Just wanted to be sure.

Just have run into a number of arguments on the internet in lo so many years where people act as if real history started about five years after they were born. Didn't think you were that guy but...

 

[ZenMode]

So the only way to prevent the loss of our democracy is to lose it. Got it.

No democracy has been lost.

 

[farce©]

No democracy has been lost.

The whizzing sound you heard was point going right over your head.

 

[farce©]

No democracy has been lost.

 

[ZenMode]

The whizzing sound you heard was point going right over your head.

There isn't even a threat of fascism. Trump & Co. are complying with court rulings. When they start saying the opposite, "We are going to ignore the court and do what we want", then we have a constitutional crisis.

 

[farce©]

There isn't even a threat of fascism. Trump & Co. are complying with court rulings. When they start saying the opposite, "We are going to ignore the court and do what we want", then we have a constitutional crisis.

They are just attempting to impeach the judges. I’m sure judges aren’t feeling any intimidation.

Are USAID funds flowing?

 

[ZenMode]

This guy has gone down the following path:

1. Gender pay gap isn't real because it's just simple division
2. OK, I guess the research controls for a few things, but the pay gap is actually about different roles
3. OK, I guess the research also accounts for different roles, but you can't prove that the pay gap is about discrimination
4. OK, I guess there is a lot of discrimination, but you see, two women at my company allegedly became pregnant after receiving benefits so I was right all along!#!1!1

Once again, he is who is -- he's derailed the thread. I participated in the derailing, which is my fault. Let's get it back.

The gender pay gap is real, but there's no current reason to believe it's about discrimination based on gender.

 

[Duke Mu]

There isn't even a threat of fascism. Trump & Co. are complying with court rulings. When they start saying the opposite, "We are going to ignore the court and do what we want", then we have a constitutional crisis.

Their ACTIONS say otherwise. And most of their rhetoric.

 

[ZenMode]

They are just attempting to impeach the judges. I’m sure judges aren’t feeling any intimidation.

Are USAID funds flowing?

I don't know all the details. The judge ruled on Thursday that the funding needs to resume. Did all of it immediately resume on Thursday or Friday? I would guess no. It probably takes some time to resume normal processing.

Has Trump or his lawyers said they aren't going to resume?

 

[Duke Mu]

Federal judge says Trump administration ignoring his order to pause funding freeze

A federal judge said that President Trump has violated his order to lift a blanket freeze on federal spending and again directed the administration to release the funds. That comes as top prosecutors in nearly half the country sued the administration for withholding medical research funding...

www.pbs.org

 

[farce©]

I don't know all the details. The judge ruled on Thursday that the funding needs to resume. Did all of it immediately resume on Thursday or Friday? I would guess no. It probably takes some time to resume normal processing.

Has Trump or his lawyers said they aren't going to resume?

 

[ZenMode]

Federal judge says Trump administration ignoring his order to pause funding freeze

A federal judge said that President Trump has violated his order to lift a blanket freeze on federal spending and again directed the administration to release the funds. That comes as top prosecutors in nearly half the country sued the administration for withholding medical research funding...

www.pbs.org

There's nothing unusual yet. It's normal legal back and forth. Appeals.... clarification.... probably some games being played, but there has been nothing from the Trump admin saying they're going to ignore the courts and do what they want. In fact, the justice department is saying they ARE complying.

Vance's Tweet was more or less a challenge to the courts, but a challenge isn't ignoring rulings. The challenge is, again, normal power struggle type of stuff.

 

[Duke Mu]

I don't know all the details. The judge ruled on Thursday that the funding needs to resume. Did all of it immediately resume on Thursday or Friday? I would guess no. It probably takes some time to resume normal processing.

Has Trump or his lawyers said they aren't going to resume?

Trump has fired much of the staff. Are they rehired.

Trump fired NNSA making the country less safe including nuclear power staff. But the MAGA idiots can't rehire many of them because they don't have private contact information.

Trump administration wants to un-fire nuclear safety workers but can’t figure out how to reach them

The workers, whose agency oversees the nation’s nuclear stockpile, had been fired on Thursday and lost access to their federal government email accounts.

www.nbcnews.com

America is at much greater risk for a pandemic, terrorist attack, war, inflation, secure and safe energy, jobs (technical, science) lost to China, India...

 

[superrific]

The gender pay gap is real, but there's no current reason to believe it's about discrimination based on gender.

Except for the life experiences of millions of women who have been discriminated against on the basis of gender. GFY.

 

[ZenMode]

Except for the life experiences of millions of women who have been discriminated against on the basis of gender. GFY.

Well as long as some women think it, it must be true. Data and evidence be damned! Let's just go with feelings, right?

 

[Duke Mu]

There's nothing unusual yet. It's normal legal back and forth. Appeals.... clarification.... probably some games being played, but there has been nothing from the Trump admin saying they're going to ignore the courts and do what they want.

Yeah, right. Nothing to see here. Trump has been in the limelight for 10 years in politics, much longer as a TV fake reality D-list star and a failed real estate mogul and branding agent. My family were all Republicans, originally from NY. We all knew Donny Con was a con artist, racist, and 2-bit mobster. He's Archie Bunker with money, but loves his family a lot less.

Trump doesn't care about and even defies the US Legal System. He is transactional and destructive, not really strategic. Much of Trump 2.0 is an airing of grievances, and he courted Billionaire Bros. as muscle. If you've fallen into some Joe Rogan-esque ploy that this is all part of "negotiations," then lol Wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[Duke Mu]

Well as long as some women think it, it must be true. Data and evidence be damned! Let's just go with feelings, right?

Telling response.

 

[ZenMode]

If anyone is interested in a reasonable, Liberal perspective on what's going on with the courts and Trump, this is a good podcast.

 

[superrific]

Well as long as some women think it, it must be true. Data and evidence be damned! Let's just go with feelings, right?

Discrimination has been proven in literally thousands of court cases -- and even more agency adjudications. Again, that you don't know the evidence does not mean it doesn't exist.