Why Did Republicans Abandon Conservatism?

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ZenMode said:
No it didn't.
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Ha ha, mother fucker, there's a transcript on the NYtimes website. From that transcript:

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When we started talking the other day, we were joking a little bit about the threat level. And I think we said it was orange. After this weekend, where is it for you?

Maybe a slightly redder orange — blood orange."

And:

"Right. So look, this is the big problem. I would argue that currently we are in a constitutional crisis in the sense that there is one branch of government, the executive, that is not obeying the Constitution. And the question is: How do the other branches push back?"

"Now to be clear, I think the dereliction of constitutional duty on the part of Republicans in this Congress and in the previous Trump administration is above and beyond that. "

"So it’s really a question of previous administrations agreeing to be bound by the existing framework, if that makes sense. Whereas the Trump people have decided that they simply don’t care and are going to smash through it. And the problem is: That has a lot of follow-on effects."

"This is where it gets tricky. I think the question of what happens if a court says you can’t continue to dismantle this agency — and then the administration says: Try me — is kind of the big question. The short answer is: That’s what we call a constitutional crisis. And we don’t really know how it would play out. I think it is worth emphasizing that in the first Trump administration, I don’t know of any instance in which the administration flat-out ignored an order of a court.

Trump never said: I’m simply not going to obey a court order. He would post on Twitter about it and complain, but then his administration would comply. When we came into the second Trump administration, I was not actually that worried about him disobeying a court order precisely because of that.
I think there are aspects of the way this administration has governed in these first few weeks that make me more worried"
 
superrific said:
Ha ha, mother fucker, there's a transcript on the NYtimes website. From that transcript:

"
When we started talking the other day, we were joking a little bit about the threat level. And I think we said it was orange. After this weekend, where is it for you?

Maybe a slightly redder orange — blood orange."

And:

"Right. So look, this is the big problem. I would argue that currently we are in a constitutional crisis in the sense that there is one branch of government, the executive, that is not obeying the Constitution. And the question is: How do the other branches push back?"

"Now to be clear, I think the dereliction of constitutional duty on the part of Republicans in this Congress and in the previous Trump administration is above and beyond that. "

"So it’s really a question of previous administrations agreeing to be bound by the existing framework, if that makes sense. Whereas the Trump people have decided that they simply don’t care and are going to smash through it. And the problem is: That has a lot of follow-on effects."

"This is where it gets tricky. I think the question of what happens if a court says you can’t continue to dismantle this agency — and then the administration says: Try me — is kind of the big question. The short answer is: That’s what we call a constitutional crisis. And we don’t really know how it would play out. I think it is worth emphasizing that in the first Trump administration, I don’t know of any instance in which the administration flat-out ignored an order of a court.

Trump never said: I’m simply not going to obey a court order. He would post on Twitter about it and complain, but then his administration would comply. When we came into the second Trump administration, I was not actually that worried about him disobeying a court order precisely because of that.
I think there are aspects of the way this administration has governed in these first few weeks that make me more worried"
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"Trump never said: I’m simply not going to obey a court order. He would post on Twitter about it and complain, but then his administration would comply. When we came into the second Trump administration, I was not actually that worried about him disobeying a court order precisely because of that.
I think there are aspects of the way this administration has governed in these first few weeks that make me more worried"

Being worried is not the same as an actual issue. Thus far, the Trump admin is obeying court orders and are NOT saying "We are going to ignore the courts and do what we want". IF that changes, we would have an actual constitutional crisis.

Listen to the actual podcast so you have full context, mother fucker.
 
Lando said:
It’s the standard incel sea lion routine. You need evidence, they need a series of assumptions that feel correct to them.

I had hoped that these nitwits would have stopped chasing women out of STEM, but it appears that I’ll be dealing with low talent neckbeards in engineering for the rest of my life.
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Which women are being chased out of STEM vs simply choosing career paths that they are more interested in?

Do you think the lack of male elementary teachers means men are being "chased out of teaching" or are men just inherently not interested in dealing with young children?
 
ZenMode said:
There isn't even a threat of fascism. Trump & Co. are complying with court rulings. When they start saying the opposite, "We are going to ignore the court and do what we want", then we have a constitutional crisis.
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Really, I have read that they are not.
 
ZenMode said:
"Trump never said: I’m simply not going to obey a court order. He would post on Twitter about it and complain, but then his administration would comply. When we came into the second Trump administration, I was not actually that worried about him disobeying a court order precisely because of that.
I think there are aspects of the way this administration has governed in these first few weeks that make me more worried"

Being worried is not the same as an actual issue. Thus far, the Trump admin is obeying court orders and are NOT saying "We are going to ignore the courts and do what we want". IF that changes, we would have an actual constitutional crisis.

Listen to the actual podcast so you have full context, mother fucker.
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This is a man that started arguing during his first term that the president is above the law. Then pushed that idea until his hand picked ass lickers in the SCOTUS agreed that he could pretty much do as he pleases.

Yet you have now shifted from sitting on the fence to clearly following and accepting everything this narcissistic habitual liar says.

You know, if it wasn't for how it will impact those that voted for sanity and against this mob boss type of leader, I'd be happy for him to do everything he talks about. So, that those, like you, that keep arguing that he really isn't that bad would understand how bad it is as you lie there dumbfounded after he finishes fucking you and the country.
 
UNCatTech said:
That wasn't your original argument. That was your later amended argument.
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I assumed, because of the audience, that a reference to a gender pay gap assumed discrimination and misogyny. I shouldn't have assumed, but I also don't think, based on the responses, I wasn't wrong.
 
ZenMode said:
"Trump never said: I’m simply not going to obey a court order. He would post on Twitter about it and complain, but then his administration would comply. When we came into the second Trump administration, I was not actually that worried about him disobeying a court order precisely because of that.
I think there are aspects of the way this administration has governed in these first few weeks that make me more worried"

Being worried is not the same as an actual issue. Thus far, the Trump admin is obeying court orders and are NOT saying "We are going to ignore the courts and do what we want". IF that changes, we would have an actual constitutional crisis.

Listen to the actual podcast so you have full context, mother fucker.
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I read the whole transcript, motherfucker. And it's clear that "it's changing." Quinta would agree with that -- indeed, she's written as much in the last week. Your podcast from from Feb 7.

And being worried is an actual issues. For one thing, it should not be the government's job to create fear and anxiety in the population. Second, when a lawyer says, "I'm worried," it means that there is danger afoot. It's an actual issue because it could very easily result in disaster. Let's say you've got a gun in your house. Your spouse removes the safety. Is that an actual issue? Or is it only an issue after someone gets shot? Can you understand this?
 
ZenMode said:
Which women are being chased out of STEM vs simply choosing career paths that they are more interested in?

Do you think the lack of male elementary teachers means men are being "chased out of teaching" or are men just inherently not interested in dealing with young children?
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Men are actually actively chased from elementary education based on societal beliefs that males who want to work with young children are often sexual predators.
 
i haven’t read this whole thread but I reject the premise of it.

As much as I like what CFord contributes to this community, reading his posts and knowing his history makes me feel that he never truly understood what the right in America was.

While the methods may be extreme, almost all that is happening now, from the removal of thousands of federal workers to the removal of programs like SNAP, have been in the works for decades. There is nothing in any of that that contradicts American conservatism.

Nobody could support SNAP and also support the welfare queen ads from the ‘80s.

The abandonment of the rule of law is all that has changed.
 
And apologies if I seem harsh. I am really f’ing pissed off right now.

I just sent a text to my brother (in response to one of his many post covid health updates nonetheless) and told him I will never forgive him for his support of a dictator until he shows some form of contrition.

So essentially, I am fucking pissed and ready to take it out on people.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
i haven’t read this whole thread but I reject the premise of it.

As much as I like what CFord contributes to this community, reading his posts and knowing his history makes me feel that he never truly understood what the right in America was.

While the methods may be extreme, almost all that is happening now, from the removal of thousands of federal workers to the removal of programs like SNAP, have been in the works for decades. There is nothing in any of that that contradicts American conservatism.

Nobody could support SNAP and also support the welfare queen ads from the ‘80s.

The abandonment of the rule of law is all that has changed.
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Oh man, you have absolutely, positively no reason whatsoever to apologize. I don’t think anything that you said is wrong or unfair at all. And plus, I really appreciate the kind words. I definitely think there is a ton of truth to the fact that I probably never understood what the American right wing is or was in the first place. I certainly do not understand it now.
 
CFordUNC said:
Oh man, you have absolutely, positively no reason whatsoever to apologize. I don’t think anything that you said is wrong or unfair at all. And plus, I really appreciate the kind words. I definitely think there is a ton of truth to the fact that I probably never understood what the American right wing is or was in the first place. I certainly do not understand it now.
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Well your kindness makes me want to apologize more.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
i haven’t read this whole thread but I reject the premise of it.

As much as I like what CFord contributes to this community, reading his posts and knowing his history makes me feel that he never truly understood what the right in America was.

While the methods may be extreme, almost all that is happening now, from the removal of thousands of federal workers to the removal of programs like SNAP, have been in the works for decades. There is nothing in any of that that contradicts American conservatism.

Nobody could support SNAP and also support the welfare queen ads from the ‘80s.

The abandonment of the rule of law is all that has changed.
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"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”—David Frum
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
Well your kindness makes me want to apologize more.
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Heck no! You said absolutely nothing wrong. I thought that what you said was totally valid. One of the nearly countless things that I appreciate about the greater board community here is how much I have my perspectives and views challenged and how much cause I’ve had for introspection based on what I’ve learned from a countless number of different posters over the years. Other than general lived experience over the last 10 years or so since I’ve been on this board, I would happily credit many, many posters in this community- yourself absolutely included- for helping me to become more caring, more compassionate, and more empathetic for others. Which come to think of it, is precisely why I’m no longer Republican.
 
ZenMode said:
There's nothing unusual yet. It's normal legal back and forth. Appeals.... clarification.... probably some games being played, but there has been nothing from the Trump admin saying they're going to ignore the courts and do what they want. In fact, the justice department is saying they ARE complying.

Vance's Tweet was more or less a challenge to the courts, but a challenge isn't ignoring rulings. The challenge is, again, normal power struggle type of stuff.
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Now I know you're just a troll.

None of this is normal.
 
wmheel1287 said:
That's the problem with that CFord guy. He's so damned nice and well meaning that you just want to punch him in the mouth for it.

:-)
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Shoot. Y’all are being way too generous to me, I wish I were as nice as y’all think I am. I’d be a much better person.
 
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