Why Did Republicans Abandon Conservatism?

[ZenMode]

A note to those concerned about fascism, I'll just remind you that Biden tried to use OSHA to force 80 million Americans to get the COVID vaccine or lose their jobs.

It was people like Ben Shapiro that sued to stop that bullshit.

 

[Duke Mu]

Data, analysis, findings:

“Women’s work” and the gender pay gap: How discrimination, societal norms, and other forces affect women’s occupational choices—and their pay

Serious attempts to understand the gender wage gap should not include shifting the blame to women for not earning more. Rather, these attempts should examine where our economy provides unequal opportunities for women at every point of their education, training, and career choices.

www.epi.org

There are many reasons that the gender pay gap exists. Economists label these reasons as supply side (women’s choices) and demand side (employers’ choices), although it can be difficult to untangle the two or categorize them neatly as one or the other. Legal constraints, economic structures and gender norms have also played a role in shaping women’s preferences and choices. Sociologists may even argue that career preferences emerge in childhood from gender-specific socialization processes.

Why the Gender Pay Gap Persists in American Businesses – Darden Report Online

April 4, 2024 Darden professor Allison Elias, author of "The Rise of Corporate Feminism," on the history of the continuing gender pay gap, where things stand today and new research on possible solutions. –

news.darden.virginia.edu

It's hardly an American problem. Probably worse in many countries.

Understanding the gender pay gap: definition, facts and causes | Topics | European Parliament

Working women in the EU earn on average 12% less per hour than men. Discover statistics by country and read about the reasons behind the gender pay gap.

www.europarl.europa.eu

 

[superrific]

Ok. Show me the research that accounts for all the choices/variables and still shows a gap.

How about you show us some research supporting your position?

 

[wmheel1287]

Yes it is. Feelings don't create reality.

We quite literally live in a country where the feelings of one third of the nation have dictated our current reality.

 

[lawtig02]

Engaging with Zen is like wrestling with Jello.

 

[farce©]

Engaging with Zen is like wrestling with Jello.

It’s like this

 

[wmheel1287]

"not the sole cause of the gender pay gap, and discrimination and systemic barriers also play a major role."

Ok. Show me the research that accounts for all the choices/variables and still shows a gap.

Right after you show us the data the controls for discrimination as a variable in order to isolate the impact of each specific choice/variable.

 

[Duke Mu]

A note to those concerned about fascism, I'll just remind you that Biden tried to use OSHA to force 80 million Americans to get the COVID vaccine or lose their jobs.

You pretty much lost credibility there. Children are required to vaccinate to go to school. There are many jobs that have health and vaccination requirements. Travel overseas can have vaccination requirements There was Supreme Court precedent (Jacobsen v. Massachusetts) that our handmaid tale, legislating from the bench SCrOTUS ignored. Not a mention in the opinion.

Frankly, the mandate should have been expanded to school children. Alternatively, the reward/bribe could have been elevated.

 

[superrific]

No it didn't.

Ha ha, mother fucker, there's a transcript on the NYtimes website. From that transcript:

"
When we started talking the other day, we were joking a little bit about the threat level. And I think we said it was orange. After this weekend, where is it for you?

Maybe a slightly redder orange — blood orange."

And:

"Right. So look, this is the big problem. I would argue that currently we are in a constitutional crisis in the sense that there is one branch of government, the executive, that is not obeying the Constitution. And the question is: How do the other branches push back?"

"Now to be clear, I think the dereliction of constitutional duty on the part of Republicans in this Congress and in the previous Trump administration is above and beyond that. "

"So it’s really a question of previous administrations agreeing to be bound by the existing framework, if that makes sense. Whereas the Trump people have decided that they simply don’t care and are going to smash through it. And the problem is: That has a lot of follow-on effects."

"This is where it gets tricky. I think the question of what happens if a court says you can’t continue to dismantle this agency — and then the administration says: Try me — is kind of the big question. The short answer is: That’s what we call a constitutional crisis. And we don’t really know how it would play out. I think it is worth emphasizing that in the first Trump administration, I don’t know of any instance in which the administration flat-out ignored an order of a court.

Trump never said: I’m simply not going to obey a court order. He would post on Twitter about it and complain, but then his administration would comply. When we came into the second Trump administration, I was not actually that worried about him disobeying a court order precisely because of that.
I think there are aspects of the way this administration has governed in these first few weeks that make me more worried"

 

[ZenMode]

How about you show us some research supporting your position?

That's not how it works. You can't call me a racist and put it on me to prove you wrong. It's on YOU to support your claim

 

[ZenMode]

Ha ha, mother fucker, there's a transcript on the NYtimes website. From that transcript:

"
When we started talking the other day, we were joking a little bit about the threat level. And I think we said it was orange. After this weekend, where is it for you?

Maybe a slightly redder orange — blood orange."

And:

"Right. So look, this is the big problem. I would argue that currently we are in a constitutional crisis in the sense that there is one branch of government, the executive, that is not obeying the Constitution. And the question is: How do the other branches push back?"

"Now to be clear, I think the dereliction of constitutional duty on the part of Republicans in this Congress and in the previous Trump administration is above and beyond that. "

"So it’s really a question of previous administrations agreeing to be bound by the existing framework, if that makes sense. Whereas the Trump people have decided that they simply don’t care and are going to smash through it. And the problem is: That has a lot of follow-on effects."

"This is where it gets tricky. I think the question of what happens if a court says you can’t continue to dismantle this agency — and then the administration says: Try me — is kind of the big question. The short answer is: That’s what we call a constitutional crisis. And we don’t really know how it would play out. I think it is worth emphasizing that in the first Trump administration, I don’t know of any instance in which the administration flat-out ignored an order of a court.

Trump never said: I’m simply not going to obey a court order. He would post on Twitter about it and complain, but then his administration would comply. When we came into the second Trump administration, I was not actually that worried about him disobeying a court order precisely because of that.
I think there are aspects of the way this administration has governed in these first few weeks that make me more worried"

"Trump never said: I’m simply not going to obey a court order. He would post on Twitter about it and complain, but then his administration would comply. When we came into the second Trump administration, I was not actually that worried about him disobeying a court order precisely because of that.
I think there are aspects of the way this administration has governed in these first few weeks that make me more worried"

Being worried is not the same as an actual issue. Thus far, the Trump admin is obeying court orders and are NOT saying "We are going to ignore the courts and do what we want". IF that changes, we would have an actual constitutional crisis.

Listen to the actual podcast so you have full context, mother fucker.

 

[Healing]

Only one other poster comes anywhere close to rivaling zen in number of victory claims, after posting shit that absolutely does not support their position.

 

[ZenMode]

It’s the standard incel sea lion routine. You need evidence, they need a series of assumptions that feel correct to them.

I had hoped that these nitwits would have stopped chasing women out of STEM, but it appears that I’ll be dealing with low talent neckbeards in engineering for the rest of my life.

Which women are being chased out of STEM vs simply choosing career paths that they are more interested in?

Do you think the lack of male elementary teachers means men are being "chased out of teaching" or are men just inherently not interested in dealing with young children?

 

[UNCatTech]

There isn't even a threat of fascism. Trump & Co. are complying with court rulings. When they start saying the opposite, "We are going to ignore the court and do what we want", then we have a constitutional crisis.

Really, I have read that they are not.

 

[UNCatTech]

Nope. I said there is a gender pay gap and, so far, there's no reason to believe it's due to misogyny or discrimination.

That wasn't your original argument. That was your later amended argument.

 

[UNCatTech]

"Trump never said: I’m simply not going to obey a court order. He would post on Twitter about it and complain, but then his administration would comply. When we came into the second Trump administration, I was not actually that worried about him disobeying a court order precisely because of that.
I think there are aspects of the way this administration has governed in these first few weeks that make me more worried"

Being worried is not the same as an actual issue. Thus far, the Trump admin is obeying court orders and are NOT saying "We are going to ignore the courts and do what we want". IF that changes, we would have an actual constitutional crisis.

Listen to the actual podcast so you have full context, mother fucker.

This is a man that started arguing during his first term that the president is above the law. Then pushed that idea until his hand picked ass lickers in the SCOTUS agreed that he could pretty much do as he pleases.

Yet you have now shifted from sitting on the fence to clearly following and accepting everything this narcissistic habitual liar says.

You know, if it wasn't for how it will impact those that voted for sanity and against this mob boss type of leader, I'd be happy for him to do everything he talks about. So, that those, like you, that keep arguing that he really isn't that bad would understand how bad it is as you lie there dumbfounded after he finishes fucking you and the country.

 

[ZenMode]

That wasn't your original argument. That was your later amended argument.

I assumed, because of the audience, that a reference to a gender pay gap assumed discrimination and misogyny. I shouldn't have assumed, but I also don't think, based on the responses, I wasn't wrong.

 

[superrific]

"Trump never said: I’m simply not going to obey a court order. He would post on Twitter about it and complain, but then his administration would comply. When we came into the second Trump administration, I was not actually that worried about him disobeying a court order precisely because of that.
I think there are aspects of the way this administration has governed in these first few weeks that make me more worried"

Being worried is not the same as an actual issue. Thus far, the Trump admin is obeying court orders and are NOT saying "We are going to ignore the courts and do what we want". IF that changes, we would have an actual constitutional crisis.

Listen to the actual podcast so you have full context, mother fucker.

I read the whole transcript, motherfucker. And it's clear that "it's changing." Quinta would agree with that -- indeed, she's written as much in the last week. Your podcast from from Feb 7.

And being worried is an actual issues. For one thing, it should not be the government's job to create fear and anxiety in the population. Second, when a lawyer says, "I'm worried," it means that there is danger afoot. It's an actual issue because it could very easily result in disaster. Let's say you've got a gun in your house. Your spouse removes the safety. Is that an actual issue? Or is it only an issue after someone gets shot? Can you understand this?

 

[wmheel1287]

Which women are being chased out of STEM vs simply choosing career paths that they are more interested in?

Do you think the lack of male elementary teachers means men are being "chased out of teaching" or are men just inherently not interested in dealing with young children?

Men are actually actively chased from elementary education based on societal beliefs that males who want to work with young children are often sexual predators.

 

[ChapelHillSooner]

i haven’t read this whole thread but I reject the premise of it.

As much as I like what CFord contributes to this community, reading his posts and knowing his history makes me feel that he never truly understood what the right in America was.

While the methods may be extreme, almost all that is happening now, from the removal of thousands of federal workers to the removal of programs like SNAP, have been in the works for decades. There is nothing in any of that that contradicts American conservatism.

Nobody could support SNAP and also support the welfare queen ads from the ‘80s.

The abandonment of the rule of law is all that has changed.